>> WELCOME BACK TO CHEDDAR'S
NEWS WRAP EVERYBODY WE WERE
JUST TALKING TO COVID-19
SURVIVOR KAREN BISH OFF ABOUT
HER EXPERIENCE AS A CORONAVIRUS
LONG HAULER LONG HAULERS ARE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE REPORTED
LINGERING SYMPTOMS OF THE VIRUS
FOR MONTHS, INCLUDING CHRONIC
FATIGUE AND LUNG DAMAGE.
STUDY
SUGGESTS THAT.
>> THERE COULD BE HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF SO-CALLED LONG
HAULERS RIGHT IN THE
UNITED STATES. HERE TO SHED
LIGHT ON THIS PHENOMENON IS
FRIEND OF THE SHOW DOCTOR JEN
CODDLE FAMILY PHYSICIAN AND
ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT ROWAN
UNIVERSITY DOCTOR JENN WELCOME
BACK TO
THE SHOW. WE JUST HEARD KAREN
STORY HOW CONCERNED IS THE
MEDICAL COMMUNITY. THE ABOUT
THESE LONG
LASTING EFFECTS BUT SOME
PATIENTS ARE STILL EXPERIENCING
IN KAREN'S CASE 6 MONTHS LATER.
>> YEAH, I KNOW WE ARE VERY
CONCERNED IN MY HEART GOES OUT
TO KAREN AND ANYONE ELSE WHO
FEELS
THEY'RE ALONG CALLER. YOU HAVE
YOU TALKED ABOUT IT SO
APPROPRIATELY COULD LONG THAT'S
THE TERM WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE
WHO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SORT
OF GOT GOT OVER THE ACUTE PHASE
OF COVID THEY STILL HAVE
LINGERING SYMPTOMS THAT LAST
WEEK'S CAN LAST FOR MONTHS,
MANY OF THESE FOLKS HAVE TESTED
NEGATIVE FOR COVID BUT THEY
STILL HAVE
SYMPTOMS SO SO YES WE'RE VERY
VERY CONCERNED AND ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY SAY
MANY TIMES DURING OUR TONIGHT
IS THAT THERE'S JUST A LOT BUT
WE DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT IT
WHICH
IS UNFORTUNATE.
>> WE HEARD ABOUT KAREN
SYMPTOMS. THE DOCTOR WITH
SYMPTOMS OF CORONAVIRUS
LONGWALL HAULERS TYPICALLY
EXPERIENCE.
YES, THERE ARE NUMBER OF
SYMPTOMS AND I LOVE THE GRAPHIC
THAT WE HAVE UP YOU KNOW MANY
PEOPLE YOU KNOW FOR SEE IN SORT
OF REMAINING
COMMENTS LIKE BUT ALSO YOU CAN
GET HEART PALPITATIONS CHEST
PAIN OR TRUST US COMFORT SOME
PEOPLE GET ON SHORTNESS OF
BREATH, HEADACHES OF MANY
PEOPLE SORT OF DISK
A LACK OF WHAT WE CALL EXERCISE
TOLERANCE MEANING THEY JUST
DON'T HAVE THE ENERGY THAT THEY
USED TO HAVE YOU SOMEONE WHO
MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO TO A
FITNESS CLASS FOR 5 DAYS A WEEK
AND WORK A JOB AND TAKE CARE OF
THE FAMILY.
NOW DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THEY
HAVE THE ENERGY SAY TO DO
THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF
AMONG THE MANY DIFFERENT
EXAMPLES OF SYMPTOMS THAT WE
HAVE SO SO THE SYMPTOMS CAN BE
WON RANGING AND SOMETIMES
PEOPLE HAVE JUST A FEW
SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE
MANY SYMPTOMS. YOU KNOW IT
SEEMS THAT THERE ARE 2 TYPES OF
COVID-19 PATIENTS, THOSE THAT
MILES RESPONSE RECOVER
PRETTY QUICKLY.
>> AND OTHERS THAT HAVE LONGER
LASTING EFFECT FAX 3 TO 6 WEEKS
TO RECOVER LIKE WE HEARD KAREN
MONTHS IS THERE ANY
UNDERSTANDING TO WHY THIS IS.
>> YEAH THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION
AND I SHOULD SAY THAT THERE
HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF
STUDIES DONE ON A PATIENTS WHO
HAVE RECOVERED FROM COVID STILL
HAVE LINGERING SYMPTOMS THESE
LONG HAULERS AT BUT BUT IN
MANY CASES THESE FOLKS HAVE
ACTUALLY HAD MILD COVID
SYMPTOMS SO
IT'S NOT DEFINITIVE THAT SAY IF
YOU HAVE MORE SEVERE SYMPTOMS
YOU'RE AT HIGHER RISK FOR THESE
LONG HAULER TYPES OF
CONDITIONS AFTER THAT'S NOT
NECESSARILY THE FACT THERE ARE
A COUPLE OF CITIES WANT TO
MENTION VERY BRIEFLY
THE CDC. OVER A TOLL BOOTH
KOEPPEN SURVEYED THEY EVALUATED
THE ALMOST 300
35% OF PEOPLE HAD NOT RETURNED
TO THEIR USUAL STATE OF HEALTH
2 TO
3 AFTERWARDS AND. YOU KNOW ONE
IN 5 OF THOSE PEOPLE BETWEEN
THE AGES OF 18 TO 34 HAD NO
UNDERLYING CHRONIC
MEDICAL CONDITIONS. SO THE
UNDERLYING MEDICAL CONDITIONS
IS NOT EVEN NECESSARILY A
CRITERIA FOR THIS NOR IS THE
SEVERITY OF ILLNESS HAVE THE
QUESTION ABOUT WHY IS THIS HAVE
HE IS A BIG YOU KNOW IS IT DO
TO SORT OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM'S
RESPONSE TO THE INFECTION IS
DUE TO
SOMETHING ELSE THERE'S A LOT OF
QUESTIONS WE HAVE AND WE JUST
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ANSWERS SO
TIME WILL TELL HOPEFULLY WE
WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT EXACTLY
WHY THIS
IS HAPPENING.
>> I'M CURIOUS TO MOST LONG HOT
HAULERS HAVE UNDERLYING OR
CHRONIC MEDICAL CONDITIONS
BEFORE CONTRACTING
COVID-19 TYPICALLY WELL DONE
WELL THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE
THINGS I WAS JUST SAYING IS NOT
NECESSARILY KNOW IN THE CDC
STUDY THAT I JUST CITED YOU
KNOW IN THAT 18 TO
34 GROUP.
>> ONE IN 5 OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO
HAD THESE LONG HAUL OR SYMPTOMS
HAD NO UNDERLYING CHRONIC
MEDICAL MISSION SO THAT'S
NOT NECESSARILY. SAYING
INDICATOR OF WHAT
YOU'RE GOING LONG HOURS AND
THOSE ARE NOT JUST LIKE WHAT DO
YOU HAVE MILD OR SEVERE DISEASE
IS NOT NECESSARILY AN
INDICATOR EITHER BECAUSE WE DO
SEE PEOPLE WITH MILD DISEASE, A
COVID DISEASE
THAT END BE WON'T COLLARS RIGHT
NOW I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN
SAY DEFINITIVELY WHO IS GOING
TO GET THIS AND WHO
IS NOT OR THE RECOVERY AND
TREATMENT OPTIONS FOR THESE
LONG HAULERS DOCTOR JOHN.
WELL WE'RE LEARNING A LOT MORE
ABOUT IT AND CERTAINLY HAS
POSITIONS IN THE MEDICAL
COMMUNITY ON THOSE WERE
ARTICLES AND PAPERS BEING
WRITTEN ABOUT IN SCIENTIFIC
JOURNALS AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO
THIS CERTAINLY MORE.
YOU KAREN STORIES CERTAINLY
REMARKABLE ONE, I'M SO HAPPY
YOU SEE ALL THE ADVOCACY WORK
SHE'S DOING FOR OTHERS. ONE OF
THE THINGS SHE MENTIONED IN HER
INTERVIEW WITH YOU ALL IS THAT
THE THIS DESIRE TO HAVE MORE
CENTERS AND PLACES WHERE LONG
HAULERS CAN
BE TREATED AND ANNUAL FROM A
I'M AN URGE ACTING HOPEFULLY BE
EVALUATED
AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A
NUMBER ACTUALLY THERE'S MOUNT
SINAI ACTUALLY HAS A CENTER
PEOPLE WITH SYMPTOMS OF COVID
AFTER THEY'VE RECOVERED SO
THAT'S A GOOD THING HOPEFULLY
WE'LL SEE MORE OF THE CENTERS
THAT POP UP AROUND THE COUNTRY
AND YOU KNOW HONESTLY AMONG
PHYSICIANS NEW POSITIONS, I'M
ACTUALLY A PART OF A NUMBER
POSITIONS KOBE GROUPS ON
FACEBOOK AND WE OFTEN TALK
ABOUT THE SYMPTOMS THAT
PATIENTS STILL HAD AFTER
RECOVERING
FROM COVID SO NOT ONLY ARE WE
LEARNING ABOUT THIS BUT WE ARE
ALSO WORKING AS A SORT OF A
MEDICAL GROUP TO TRY TO PROVIDE
THE BEST RESOURCES TREATMENT ET
CETERA MAKING SURE PATIENTS ARE
SEEING CARDIOLOGISTS
PULMONOLOGIST WHATEVER SPECIALS
THEY MAY NEED TO MAKE SURE
THEY'RE GETTING THE HELP THAT
THEY DESERVE. AND THAT'S DONE
BEFORE I LET YOU GO WHAT ADVICE
DO HALF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING
THIS ARE
GOING THROUGH.
>> LONG HAULERS WHAT THE
SYMPTOMS OF LONG HAULERS ARE
SEEING.
>> YEAH SO I THINK THE SOME OF
THE BEST THINGS IN PERSON
OBVIOUSLY TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR
AND I KNOW
THAT SOUNDS. LIKE IT SHOULD BE
SELF-EXPLANATORY BUT I THINK
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SUFFER
IN SILENCE IF YOU'RE WONDERING
IF THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
YOUR SYMPTOMS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S
A VALID QUESTION. YOU SHOULD
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS
THAT WITH YOUR DOC,
YOUR HAIR AND MADE SOME GREAT
SUGGESTIONS THAT I REALLY LOVE
SHE SAID THIS IDEA OF
DOCUMENTING YOUR SYMPTOMS NOT
JUST THE. THE BIG SYMPTOMS BUT
THE SMALL ONES TO AND HOW OFF
MAY COME AND GO THAT'S ACTUALLY
REALLY REALLY HELPFUL FOR US
DOCTORS IS WHEN YOU CAN SORT OF
GIVE US A
LAGER KIND OF REALLY GO THROUGH
WHAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING FOR
HOW LONG IN THE TIMING OF AND
YOU KNOW I THINK THOSE ARE 2
REALLY GOOD
FIRST STEPS AGAIN IS AS YOU
EVERY SINGLE DAY IN THIS NEW
REALITY THAT WE'RE
ALL LIVING WE LEARN MORE AND
MORE ABOUT COVID IT SEEMS LIKE
MORE THINGS COME TO LIGHT, BUT
HOPE IS THAT WE WILL NOT ONLY
GET A VACCINE AND MO