APPLICATIONS THAT ARE TIED TO
CHINA TOMORROW THIS LET'S BRING
IN JON FREEMAN HE'S THE VICE
PRESIDENT AT CFRA JOHN ALWAYS
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE ON
CHEDDAR SO INTERESTING BECAUSE
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION
OFFICIALS TELLING THE NEW YORK
TIMES ESSENTIALLY THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP ORDER HERE
TIKTOK AND WE CHAT I'M NOT THIS
IS BASICALLY THE BEST OF AREAS
BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING
SPECIFICALLY ONLY AT ONE
COMPANY HERE INSTEAD OF LOOKING
AT A BROAD BACK TO A
PICTURE HERE. WHAT WAS YOUR
REACTION TO THE MOVE BY THE
BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HERE.
>> WELL I THINK THE THE THE
MOVE TO TO SORT OF TO YOU KNOW
PREVENT THE BAN AND REVERSE
THE BAN THAT WAS KIND OF MOVE
BECAUSE I FIGURED THAT YOU KNOW
THE COURTS HAVE ALREADY DONE
THAT
AND YOU REALLY STOOD ON VERY
SHAKY LEGAL GROUND YOU KNOW
YEARS
IT DID ONE OF THE
JUSTIFICATIONS WAS DATA
SECURITY NATIONAL DATA SECURITY
AND YOU KNOW THAT THE FACT THAT
IF WE GET A BRAND ON CHINESE
DATA CENTERS AND SO FORTH BUT
THAT'S NOT REALLY TRUE TO TALK
ACTUALLY
HAD BEEN ON GOOGLE AND ALL THE
DATA WAS GOING TO CLOUD YOU
SINCE 2000
18. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S
THERE'S ALSO THE ULTIMATUM THAT
YOU
EITHER EITHER YOU HAVE
TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY YOU HAVE
TO SHUT DOWN YOUR APPLICATION
OR YOU CAN BE BOUGHT BY AN
AMERICAN COMPANY AND THEN THEY
TRY TO
ARRANGE THAT ACQUISITION BY
ORACLE WHICH WAS VERY STRANGE
BECAUSE ORACLE
COULDN'T AFFORD YOU COULD EVEN
COME CLOSE TO BUYING TIKTOK SO
KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE
MOTIONS AND THAT SORT OF FELL
APART. I THINK THE KEY THING IS
THE COURTS PUT IT
YOU KNOW THE
BASICALLY UP PUT THE BAN ON
HOLD EVEN BEFORE THE BIDEN
SO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW WE IF
YOU LOOK AT IF YOU LOOK AT THE
THE BIGGER PICTURE THAN WHAT
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS
TRYING TO DO WITH YOU KNOW DATA
SECURITY KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE
THERE MAY BE
DOING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES
OF THE EU PER PERHAPS NOT AS
STRICT WHERE ALL OF
THE DATA YOU KNOW USERS IN THIS
CASE AMERICAN USERS HAS TO
BE GEOGRAPHICALLY. YOU YOU KNOW
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE
UNITED STATES OR THE EU FOR
EXAMPLE THEY ACTUALLY SPECIFY
IT HAS TO BE IN THE EU COUNTRY
THAT THE DATA
THE ONES AND ZEROS ACTION IF TO
RESIDE IN THE DATA CENTER IN
EUROPE WHICH IS GOOD. IT'S ALSO
A LITTLE. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE
HOW MUCH THAT THAT THAT THAT
BUYS US BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A
FOCUS ON THE ISSUE WHICH IS AN
IMPORTANT ONE.
>> YEAH JOHN DO IT DOESN'T SEEM
LIKE TIKTOK IS OUT OF THE WOODS
HERE ENTIRELY IN DOING IN
VISION OR FORESEE A SCENARIO
WHERE TIKTOK COULD GET BANNED
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
>> AND ANY TIME SOON AND I
DON'T THINK I DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT THAT
WOULD BUY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT THAT WOULD BY THE UNITED
STATES IN TERMS IN TERMS OF
DATA SECURITY. I MEAN AT THE
END OF THE DAY IT'S PRETTY
CLEAR THAT
YOU KNOW IF THERE'S DATA THAT
RESIDES HERE IN THE
UNITED STATES. RUSSIAN HACKERS
A CHINESE HACKERS OF NORTH
KOREAN HACKERS. THEY CAN SWEEP
IT IN COFFEE AND DOWNLOADED NO
PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY JUST DID
THAT TO THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT
AND ALL OF THE DATA THAT THE
DEFENSE DEPARTMENT OF COST AND
SIMPLY HAS. THEY DID THAT IN
DECEMBER, YOU KNOW THAT BIG
ATTACK. THE KEYS. ALL IN MY
VIEW IT IS NOT PREVENTING HACKS
OR BUT EVEN
DOWNLOADING DATA IT'S TRACKING
AND FIGURING OUT WHO DID IT AND
PRESENTING THAT AS A LEGAL
CASE INTERNATIONALLY. BUT YOU
GOT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF MORE
INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION
BETWEEN COUNTRIES THAT YOU CAN
ACTUALLY TARGET INDIVIDUALS WHO
WERE INVOLVED SO PROVIDES VERY
STRONG DISINCENTIVE.
YOU KNOW THAT CAN'T TRAVEL
OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY EVER AGAIN
THAT KIND OF THINK THAT'S HOW
YOU ATTACK THIS DIGITAL HACKS
LEE DIGITAL
TRAILS ITS YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE
TO THE NSA IF YOUR NOSE IS
GIVING YOU COULD FIGURE OUT WHO
IT IS AND WE DO IF YOU IF
YOU ARE REMEMBER DO MUELLER
WITH THE TAX THAT THAT
RUSSIAN GRU.
>> MADE AGAINST YOU KNOW THE
>> AND THE DNC SERVER AND ALL
YOU KNOW SOME OR ALL THAT
STUFF.
>> WE GOT THAT DOWN TO
INDIVIDUALS IN OUR
IP ADDRESS THIS IS SO YOU KNOW
THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS OF THE
YEAR YOU WERE ACTUALLY
INDIVIDUALLY INDICTED. THAT'S
THAT'S KIND OF HOW YOU WANT TO
PLAY THIS. BUT OF COURSE YOU
NEED MORE INTERNATIONAL
COOPERATION TO REALLY GET IT.
YOU KNOW LEGS ARE REALLY REALLY
GET SOME BITE.
>> ABSOLUTELY AND JOHN
OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL PUT MORE
FOCUS ON US COMPANIES AS A YOU
EXPECT THEM LAST FOREIGN OWN
APPS TO OP GREAT HERE IN THE
U.S. AS A RESULT OF THIS ORDER
FROM JOE BIDEN.
>> I DON'T THINK SO I IT
APPEARS NOW THAT THEY ARE
SIMPLY IN STUDY MODE. SO YOU
KNOW WE'LL SEE WHO
THEY ARE WHO'S DOING THE STUDY
BEGUN, BUT
THE RECOMMENDATIONS I WOULDN'T
RULE OUT BUT IN TERMS OF YOU
KNOW AFFECTIVE MISS I DON'T SEE
I DON'T SEE THE ISSUE YOU
KNOW OF WHAT IF THE CHINESE
GOVERNMENT DOES DOWNLOAD ALL OF
THE VIDEOS THAT ARE. YOU
KNOW PRETEEN KIDS ARE WATCHING
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HONESTLY, IT
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY
FOR US TO PUT A TROJAN HORSE
AND THEIR DOG DOES LET'S GET TO
REALLY THINK
ABOUT THIS MORE OF A A HIGH
LEVEL STRATEGY. I AND
I THINK THE SORT OF SIMPLE SORT
OF A BLUDGEON 0 LIKE CRUDE ARE
NOT REALLY APPLICABLE LITTLE
WORLD WHERE DATA CAN GO
ANYWHERE AND APPLICATIONS CAN
WAS LIKE YOU KNOW. OUTSIDE YOUR
BORDERS AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN
KNOW IT.
>> ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING
WITH JOE BIDEN THE G 7 THAT'S
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UNITED
STATES AND OBVIOUSLY ARE OUR
EUROPEAN ALLIES AND THEN CHINA
AND RUSSIA MUCH DIFFERENT NOW
YOU'RE NOW
ESSENTIALLY SEEING RUSH OUT
WORKING WITH GERMANY WHEN IT
COMES TO THIS OIL PIPELINE
AND THEN YOU'RE EVEN SEEING
FRENCH PRESIDENT EMMANUEL
MACRON BE A LOT
LESS HARSH ON CHINA WHEN IT
COMES TO A LOT OF TRADE DEALS
THAT THE 2 COUNTRIES ARE HAVING
NOW SO DO YOU THINK THAT IS
GOING TO IMPACT THE UNITED
STATES OR WAS
THE RESULT, GIVEN THE FACT THAT
OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES NOW WITH A
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA AND
RUSSIA.
>> RIGHT IT SOUNDS TO
ME LIKE KIND OF SOME SMART
GAMESMANSHIP I SUPPOSE ON
THE MARGIN. I'M ASSUMING OUR
NATO ALLIES WILL AT THE END OF
THE DAY. STAND FIRMLY BEHIND US
NEEDED, BUT.
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW YOU KIND OF
WANT TO MAKE A MEAN THE UNITED
STATES.
>> BE THE BAD GUY NOW RIGHT IN
AND BE
YOU KNOW THE ONE WHO WAS IS IS
IS SABER BRADLEY FOR ACTUAL YOU
KNOW REAL.
RIGHT. AND I THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION DID SEEM YOU
KNOW CERTAINLY
ANTI CHINA AND CERTAINLY SEE
RATTLED HARD THERE. BUT I WAS
OBVIOUSLY SOFTER ON ON
ON RUSSIA, WHAT DOES THAT HOW
DOES THAT SHAKE OUT WHY REALLY
SURE YET. BUT YOU
CAN USE I MEANWHILE AS WE'RE
GOING TO YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THE
TRY TO LOOK OUT FOR THEIR OWN
INTERESTS AS TO SOME DEGREE BUT
I THINK THAT I THINK WE PRESENT
A SOLID FRONT AT LEAST I HOPE
WE WOULD WILL TO PRESENT A
SOLID FRONT. IN MATTERS