ON THIS WE'RE JOINED BY RYAN
HEAT SENIOR EDITOR AND AUTHOR
OF THE GLOBAL
AND STATIONS NEWSLETTER AT
POLITICO HI RYAN IS GREAT TO
SEE YOU SO BEFORE WE GET INTO
THE NEW
COALITION GOVERNMENT. WHY DO
YOU THINK ISRAEL LOST
CONFIDENCE IN NETANYAHU.
>> WELL ISRAEL IS A VERY
DIVIDED COUNTRY. SO WHEN WE SAY
THAT THE COUNTRY HAS LOST
CONFIDENCE
IN HIM IT'S ALMOST LIKE
AMERICA. IT'S A 5149 SORT
OF SITUATION. BUT NETANYAHU HAS
BEEN AROUND FOR AN EXTREMELY
LONG TIME YOU MENTIONED HIS
LAST 12 YEARS AS PRIME MINISTER
HE ALSO DID THE JOB FOR 5 OR 6
YEARS GOING BACK TO THE TURN OF
THE CENTURY HE'S BEEN THE
FINANCE MINISTER AS WELL HE
SORT OF THAT PERSON THAT'S
ALWAYS BEING AROUND FOR MOST
SOME OF THE LIFETIME OF ANYONE
UNDER THE AGE OF 40 OR 50 IN
ISRAEL AND PEOPLE HAVE STARTED
TO TURN
AND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS, HE BROUGHT A LOT OF
AMERICAN STYLE. SEE IT END TO
ISRAELI POLITICS, BUT HE ALSO
BROUGHT KIND OF MAUNA KEA STYLE
OUR GUNS AND WHAT YOU SEE NOW
IN THIS NEW GOVERNMENT IS 3 OF
THE PARTY LEADERS ACTUALLY
FORMER AIDES TO NETANYAHU.
THEY JUST GOT SICK OF THE WAY
THAT HE TREATED
THEM AND THE WAY THAT HE SORT
OF PRANCE AROUND THE COUNTRY
AND THEY'VE WORKED TOGETHER TO
DEVELOP THIS NEW A COUNTY
GOVERNMENT. SO THAT WAS THE A
VERY TRICKY
SITUATION, BUT NETANYAHU HAD 4
CHANCES IN 4 DIFFERENT
ELECTIONS IN THE LAST
2 YEARS TO GO TO THE ISRAELI
PEOPLE AND SAY KEEP THE OTHER
GUYS OUT LEAVE THE JOB IN MY
HANDS, HE WAS UNABLE TO DO IT
AND ON THE 5TH ATTEMPT IS
FINALLY FORM.
>> HOW DO YOU THINK THE
CONFLICT WITH PALESTINE
FACTORED INTO NETANYAHU BEING
OUSTED.
>> THAT'S A REALLY TRICKY
SITUATION IF YOU LOOK TO THE
NEW PRIME MINISTER NAFTALI
BENNETT.
HE ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF
THOSE MISTER NETANYAHU HE
DEVELOPED WILL HELP DEVELOP ALL
OF THOSE POLICIES THAT
NETANYAHU IS FAMOUS FOR THINGS
LIKE THE BORDER WALL. NOT
SUPPORTING ANY PROGRESS TOWARDS
PALESTINIANS HAVING THEIR OWN
FULLY-FLEDGED STATE SO IT'S NOT
THAT HE'S PARTICULARLY
DIFFERENT TO NETANYAHU. IT'S
NOT THAT THERE WAS A BACKLASH
TO THOSE
OF THE ISRAELI IRON DOME
AND THERE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL
MISSILE HITTING THE CIVILIANS
IN GAZA THAT WASN'T REALLY A
FACTOR IN THIS PROCESS. THIS
PROCESS WAS GOING ON FOR WEEKS
AND MONTHS BEFORE THAT, BUT
WHAT YOU
DO SEE IS THAT YOU KNOW ONCE
AGAIN PEOPLE ARE GETTING A BIT
TIRED OF NETANYAHU'S STRONG MAN
ATTITUDE AND THIS
NEW GOVERNMENT ISN'T GOING TO
BE ABLE TO ALL OF THOSE
POLICIES IN THE SAME WAY
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE
MORE ACCOUNT OF SOME OF THE
CENTRIST POSITIONS AND THE ARAB
PARTY THAT IS JOINING THIS NEW
GOVERNMENT.
>> RIGHT BUT NOT DOUBLE BEEN IT
DOES NOT BELIEVE IN A TWO-STATE
SOLUTION HE DOES NOT BELIEVE
THE PALESTINE SHOULD BE
A COUNTRY. SO HOW DO YOU THINK
HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK
TOGETHER WITH THE RUN OR A
PARTY THAT'S NOW PART OF HIS
COALITION.
>> YEAH, IT'S AN EXTREMELY
TRICKY SITUATIONS SO JUST TO
FILL IT IN EVEN MORE FOR
THE VIEWERS AND THE TALIBAN HAS
EVEN ADVOCATED POLICIES LIKE
SHOOT TO KILL ON THE ISRAEL
GAZA
BORDER UP. NOW OBVIOUSLY THAT
SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT EXTREME BUT
ACTUALLY THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT
THE COMMUNIST LEADERSHIP OF
EAST GERMANY USED TO DO WITH
PEOPLE WHO TRIED
TO ESCAPE THE BUILDING WALLS OF
AN EXTREMELY OUT THAT HE'S JUST
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT
THAT IN THIS NEW GOVERNMENT
OTHERWISE IT WILL FULL OF POT
SO THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT IS
STRUCTURED IS THAT IT'S GOING
TO BE A POWER SHARING DEAL AND
HE'S GOING TO GIVE UP THE JOB
IN 2 YEARS
AND THE WAY THAT HE'S BEEN ABLE
TO COME TO THIS AGREEMENT WITH
THE 7 OF THE PARTIES IS THERE
GOING TO TRY AND FOCUS ON WHAT
THEY HAVE IN
COMMON DOMESTICALLY ROB THE
THEM PUT THE CONFLICT WITH THE
PALESTINIANS AT THE CENTER OF
THE GOVERNMENT THAT SOUNDS
GREAT IN PRACTICE TO TALK ABOUT
ALL THE ROADS ARE GOING TO
BUILD ALL THE SCHOOLS YOU GOING
TO FIX.
I THINK THE REALITY IS OF THE
SITUATION IN ISRAEL AND
PALESTINE IS IT'S AN EXTREMELY
SMALL
GEOGRAPHIC AREA. IT'S AN ISSUE
THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR HUNDREDS
OF YEARS AND IT ISN'T GOING TO
GO AWAY SO EVEN SO IN THAT THE
COALITION SAYS THEY WANT TO
FOCUS ON THESE DOMESTIC
PRIORITIES, THEY'RE NOT GOING
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME CLEAN
CUT SITUATION, BUT THEY JUST
IGNORE WHAT IS GOING ON ON THE
DOORSTEP FOR EXAMPLE,
THERE'S A COVID OUTBREAK IN
GAZA ISRAEL IS GOING TO KNOW
ABOUT IT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
HAVE TO LET PEOPLE JUST
LITERALLY WITHER AND DIE WHEN
THEY'RE ON THE DOORSTEP.
>> AND FINALLY IS THERE ANY
EXISTING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND
NAFTALI BENNETT'S.
>> NOT AN EXPENSE HAS AN
ESPECIALLY DEEP ONE, BUT I
WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE A LITTLE
BIT MORE POSITIVE THAN THE ONE
BETWEEN BIDEN
AND NETANYAHU. YOU REMEMBER
THAT NETANYAHU
REALLY PUT ALL IN ALL HIS CHIPS
IN ON TRUMP'S SIDE OF THE
LEDGER AND HE'S BEEN EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT WITH ALL THE
DEMOCRATS IT'S NOT BARACK OBAMA
WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT AND
THAT'S REALLY BEING ONE OF THE
PROBLEMS FOR DEMOCRATS TO STOP
LISTENING TO THE PALESTINIAN
SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT MORE AND
SO I THINK JOE BIDEN IT'S GOING
TO VERY GRATEFUL TO BE DEALING
WITH ANYONE OTHER THAN
NETANYAHU. BUT HE KNOWS HOW TO
ROLL WITH IT IT WILL THIS FALL
APART AND NETANYAHU GETS BACK
IN A YEAR'S TIME BECAUSE HE'S
KNOWN NETANYAHU FOR 30 OR 40
YEARS. SO I THINK FROM JOE
BIDEN'S PERSPECTIVE, HE'LL DEAL
WITH WHOEVER
IS IN BUT THIS GOVERNMENT
TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MO