>> WELCOME BACK TO CHEDDAR
NEWS, EVERYONE OUR AMID ONGOING
SCRUTINY OF FACEBOOK'S
ALGORITHMS HOW AND MONETIZE
USER DATA AND IT'S IN
I'M NOT LEGIT ISSUES LIKE
WIDESPREAD MISINFORMATION AND
HOW INSTAGRAM HARMS
TEEN GIRLS, MORE AND MORE USERS
ARE DEMANDING REGULATORY
CHANGES. BUT HOW WELL CAN WE OR
THE GOVERNMENT REGULATES
SUCH LARGE PLATFORMS OUR NEXT
GUEST IS FROM THE NONPROFIT
ACCOUNTABLE TECH A GROUP THAT
ADVOCATE AIDES FOR OVERSIGHT OF
TECH COMPANIES. AND THE POWER
THEY YIELD JOINING ME NOW 3
SHIP ARWANI DIRECTOR OF
PARTNERSHIPS AND POLICY AT
ACCOUNTABLE TECH RESHAPING SO
MUCH FOR COMING ON
THE SHOW AS SO THE PUSH FOR
REGULATION SOCIAL MEDIA IS SO
BIG RIGHT THAT CONGRESS
CONSIDERING ACTION. WHAT MIGHT
GOVERNMENT REGULATION LOOK LIKE
LET'S START THERE.
>> YEAH YEAH LOOK THERE'S NO
THERE'S NO SILVER BULLET ONE
PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT'S
GOING TO MITIGATE ALL OF THE
SOCIETAL HARMS THAT FACEBOOK IS
DRIVING FIGHT
TAKEN TOGETHER THERE ARE A FEW
THINGS THAT COULD START TO MAKE
STRUCTURAL CHANGE TO SAFEGUARD
PROTECT MARGINALIZED
COMMUNITIES AND IN CONGRESS IS
ALREADY STARTING TO ACT AND
SOME OF THESE BIG ISSUES
EARLIER THIS YEAR THE HOUSE
JUDICIARY PAST A SWEEPING
OVERHAUL OVER ANTITRUST LAWS
TARGETING FACEBOOK GOOGLE
AMAZON, APPLE HOLDING THEM
ACCOUNTABLE, INCLUDING PIECES
OF LEGISLATION LIKE BREAK A
MOCK WHAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE
COURSE OF THE PAST FEW YEARS
THE FIRST OF THOSE BILLS, THE
FIRST BILL FROM THAT
PACKAGE WAS INTRODUCED IN THE
SENATE RECENTLY WITH
5 DEMOCRATS 5 REPUBLICANS AND A
3RD OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY
WHICH HAS JURISDICTION OVER
THIS ISSUE THAT IS A LEVEL OF
BIPARTISANSHIP THAT WE DON'T
SEE ON OTHER ISSUES SENATE COM
THIS COMMITTEE IS HOLDING
HEARINGS ON WHAT A NATIONAL
FEDERAL PRIVACY LAW COULD LOOK
LIKE IN SILICON
VALLEY'S OWN REPRESENTATIVE
ANNA ESHOO HAS ALREADY
ANNOUNCED THAT SHE WILL
INTRODUCE LEGISLATION THAT GOES
RIGHT AT THE HEART OF THE
BUSINESS MODEL LEGISLATION THAT
WOULD BAN SURVEILLANCE
ADVERTISING THIS PRACTICE THAT
AND THAT ALLOWS FACEBOOK TO
EXTRACT THEIR USERS PERSONAL
DATA OFTENTIMES WITHOUT THEIR
CONSENT TURN AROUND AND SELL
THAT TO ADVERTISERS AGAIN
THAT'S HOW FACEBOOK MAKES
99% OF ITS REVENUE, BUT I'LL
TELL YOU ONE MORE WHAT CONGRESS
NEEDS TO DO ALONGSIDE PASSING
THESE CRITICAL PIECES OF
LEGISLATION IS LAUNCH A FORMAL
INVESTIGATION INTO FACEBOOK
THAT USES SUBPOENA POWERS WE
CAN CAPTURE THE FULL SCOPE AND
SOCIETAL HARMS 6 I'LL TELL YOU
WHAT FRANCIS HAS REVEALED
WHAT'S BEEN REPORTED IN THE
WALL STREET JOURNAL THAT'S ONLY
THE TIP OF
THE ICEBERG. IN FACT JUST ABOUT
AN HOUR AGO IT WAS REPORTED
THERE WAS ANOTHER WHISTLEBLOWER
REPORTED DOCUMENTS THE SEC.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE THEY'RE
THERE IN CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT
NOW TO CAPTURE THE FULL SCOPE
OF SOCIETAL HARMS RATE SO WHAT.
>> AT FRANCIS SAID RIGHT IS
THAT FACEBOOK KNOWS IT'S DONE
THE RESEARCH IT KNOWS THAT
THESE THINGS ARE HARMFUL, BUT
IT DOESN'T MAKE A RESEARCH
PUBLIC AND IT'S STILL DECIDES
TO PUT PROFITS OVER PEOPLE
AND EVEN IF SOME OF ITS
INITIATIVES ARE HARMFUL AND
STILL GOES THROUGH WITH THEM
BECAUSE IT DOES BENEFIT
FACEBOOK'S BOTTOM LINE WHICH I
THINK WAS REALLY
CONCERNING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE
AND THAT TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF
CONGRESS 5 RACES, HI JEN
WAS WELL RECEIVED AND WELL
RESPECTED NIGHT FROM YOU IS AS
THE DIRECTOR OF PARTNERSHIPS
AND POLICY AT ACCOUNTABLE TAKIN
ADVOCACY GROUP.
WHAT SPECIFIC CHANGES I DO YOU
THINK WILL BETTER THE SOCIAL
MEDIA EXPERIENCE.
>> SO THERE'S THERE'S A NUMBER
AGAIN, BUT IT STARTS WITH
ADDRESSING THE BUSINESS MODEL
THAT IS FINANCIALLY
INCENTIVIZED TO AMPLIFY
DANGEROUS HARMFUL CONTENT
THAT'S WHAT FRANCIS WAS
CALLING OUT. SO A FEW THINGS
THAT WE COULD DO RIGHT NOW TO
BEGIN PROTECTING OUR DEMOCRACY
IN OUR COMMUNITIES FROM THE
PROLIFERATION OF COVID MISSING
THIS INFORMATION
STOP THE STEAL CONTENT THAT WE
SAW LEAD DIRECTLY TO A VIOLENT
INSURRECTION ON OUR NATION'S
CAPITAL EARLIER THIS YEAR IS
PASS A SWEEPING
FEDERAL PRIVACY LAW THAT
PROTECTS FROM THE EXPLOITATION
STICKS TRACTION OF USER DATA
WHICH
FACEBOOK USES TO AMPLIFY
HARMFUL CONTENT WITH SURGICAL
PRECISION KNOWING WHAT WILL
ANGER YOU WHAT YOU FIND
DIVISIVE. THIS IS PER MARK
ZUCKERBERG'S OWN ADMISSION THAT
THE ALGORITHM
NATURALLY AMPLIFIES DANGEROUS
EXTREME VIOLENT CONTENT BECAUSE
THAT'S THE CONTENT THAT KEEPS
USERS DO SCHOOL. THAT'S THE
CONTENT THAT KEEPS
USERS HOPE ON THEIR PLATFORM
AND SO WE CUT OFF THE STREAM TO
THAT ALGORITHM THAT WE NO
LONGER
ALLOW THEM. AN UNRESTRICTED
ACCESS TO OUR PERSONAL DATA
THAT STEP ONE THE SECOND IS
BANNING
SURVEILLANCE ADVERTISING.
THIS IDEA THAT ALLOWS THEM TO
USE OUR PERSONAL DATA TO TARGET
AS EVERYONE THAT IS SEEING
THEIR OWN KEY RATE
IT SEPARATE FEEDS AND THAT'S
WHAT ENHANCES THIS DIVISION
DIVISIVENESS AND HYPER
POLARIZATION THAT WE'RE SEEING
ACROSS THE COUNTRY
AND 3RD, WE MEANING FULL
ALGORITHMIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND
TRANSPARENCY WE NEED TO KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THIS
BLACK BOX AND FACEBOOK HAS
TRIED TO COVER THAT UP EVERY
STEP OF
THE WAY EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN
LAURA ELSE YOU KNOW A LEADING
AND WHY YOU RESEARCHER BEGAN
LOOKING INTO PUBLICLY AVAILABLE
AT DATA TO DETERMINE THE ROLE
THAT FACEBOOK PLAYED IN THE
RUN-UP. THE JANUARY
6 INSURRECTION FACEBOOK
PLATFORMS ARE THEY PULLED THAT
THEY PULL THE PLUG.
I CUT OFF ACCESS TO THE DATA
AND HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN HER YET
AND SO WE NEED TRANSPARENCY
ACCOUNTABILITY TO PROTECT
OURSELVES FROM THESE INCIDENTS
IN THE FUTURE.
>> THIS IS
ALL THE HELPFUL RE SHE YOU KNOW
MY QUESTION IS YOU'RE ASKING
FOR IT CONGRESS TO PASS AS A
SWEEPING PRIVACY LAW THAT WOULD
IMPLY FACEBOOK IN AND
PROTECT CONSUMERS, I'M SURE AS
A NONPROFIT YOU'VE BEEN IN
TOUCH WITH LAWMAKERS AND
DECISION MAKERS IN WASHINGTON.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHANCES
THAT WE GET THAT AND WHEN COULD
IT COME.
>> I SOONER
THAN LATER LOOK THE PRESSURE
HAS BEEN RISING ON LAWMAKERS TO
ACT ON FACEBOOK FOR A LONG TIME
NOW PRESSURE STARTED INCREASING
IN 2016 AND FACEBOOK UNDERMINED
THAT NIGHT THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION. PRESSURE STARTED
INCREASING AFTER THE CAMBRIDGE
ANALYTICA SCANDAL IT INCREASED
EVEN MORE AFTER THE UN FOUND
THAT FACEBOOK PLAYED A QUOTE
DETERMINING RULE IN HANG
IN GENOCIDE. IT INCREASED WHEN
FACEBOOK PLAYED IN FACILITATED
ONE OF THE MOST VIOLENT ATTACKS
IN OUR NATION'S CAPITAL IN
UNITED STATES HISTORY, IT'S
BEEN INCREASING OVER THE COURSE
OF THAT
PAST YEAR WITH THE
PROLIFERATION OF COVID MISSING
DIS-INFORMATION AND THE X FROM
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
THAT THAT SHOWING DEMONSTRATE
HOW UNIQUELY HARMFUL FACEBOOK
IS TO TEENS AND TEENS MENTAL
HEALTH LEADING TO INCREASING
RATES OF ANXIETY DEPRESSION,
BODY DYSMORPHIA RESEARCH THAT
FACEBOOK COVERED UP SO THAT
THEY CAN MAKE AN EXTRA BARKING
SO NOW I THINK WE'VE REACHED A
BOILING POINT FOR CONGRESSIONAL
ACTION IS NEEDED AND INACTION
IS NO
LONGER ACCEPTABLE. AND SO AGAIN
THE SENATE COMMERCE COMMITTEE
HAS ALREADY BEGUN HOLD HEARINGS
ON WHAT A FEDERAL PRIVACY LAW
COULD
LOOK LIKE ANTITRUST A SWEEPING
PACKAGE OF BILLS IS MOVING
THROUGH THE CONGRESS RIGHT NOW,
AND SO I DO EXPECT BEFORE THE
END OF THIS YEAR, WE'LL SEE
THOSE PIECES OF LEGISLATION
ACTED WILL SEE ENHANCEMENTS TO
EXISTING CHILDREN'S PRIVACY LAW
LIKE THE
KIDS AT UPDATES THE THAT I
THINK REALLY CAN HAPPEN BY THE
END OF THIS YEAR AND AGAIN WHAT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN ALONGSIDE
THAT LEGISLATION IS A
CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION
THAT USE THE SUBPOENA POWER AND
CAPTURES THE FULL SCOPE OF