>> AND WELCOME BACK TO OUR
WELLNESS, I'M BAKER MACHADO IN
THE HISTORY BOOKS PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO LEARN ABOUT THIS POINT
IN TIME CALLED THE GREAT
RESIGNATION. THE FLOOD
EMPLOYEES WHO LEFT THEIR JOBS
AMID THE PANDEMIC CREDITING THE
NEED FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY AND
MORE HAPPINESS ALL ABOUT THEIR
MENTAL HEALTH, BUT ONE MAIN
THING EMPLOYERS ARE LOOKING TO
DO IS REVERSE THAT THAT
MOVEMENT ALL BY PUTTING
EMPLOYEES
MENTAL HEALTH, ALL FRONT AND
CENTER JOINING US THAT
DISCUSSES ERICA PAN DE BUSINESS
REPORTER OVER
AT AXIOS ERICA GREAT TO HAVE
YOU HERE SO YOU RECENTLY WERE
ARTICLE ALL ABOUT THIS
BASICALLY WE CAN'T BLAME THE
EMPLOYEES WERE LOOK AT THE
LEAVE FOR THEIR MENTAL HEALTH,
BUT WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE
HERE IN ALL OF THIS.
>> SO THIS AGAIN IS THAT MENTAL
HEALTH IS KIND OF THE NEXT
GENERATION WORKPLACE ISSUE NOW
YOU KNOW IT IS ESPECIALLY AS WE
CAN BECOME INCREASINGLY REMOTE.
I READ AND IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU
KNOW YOUR COMMUTE OR THE PERKS
YOU HAVE THE
OFFICE ANYMORE. HOW DO YOU FEEL
IN YOUR LIFE AND YOUR JOB IS
BECOMING YOUR EMPLOYER'S
PROBLEM JUST AS MUCH AS IT IS
YOUR PARTNERS ARE FAMILIES.
>> OKAY, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT
THIS FROM THE EMPLOYER'S
PERSPECTIVE HERE HOW DO THEY
SORT OF MANAGE AND FIGHT
FOR TALENT WHO MIGHT BE
STRUGGLING THEN WITH
MENTAL HELP.
>> RIGHT SO YOU DON'T BUY THE
GREAT NATIONS. THE BIG ISSUE
FOR EMPLOYERS THAT UPWARDS OF
40% OF PEOPLE ARE
CONSIDERING IT IT'S A LOT OF
THEM ARE DOING SO BECAUSE OF
MENTAL HEALTH REASONS AND ARE
NOW AND THE FACT THAT THIS
PANDEMIC HAS BEEN AND FOR A
LONG TIME AND WE'RE USED TO IT
ISN'T REALLY HELPING
YOU KNOW LEVELS OF BURNOUT
ACTUALLY CLIMB TO 2021 TO 2020
SO EMPLOYERS ARE REALIZING THAT
IF THEY DON'T
PLAY IN BENEFITS LIKE MENTAL
HEALTH DAYS, THEY DON'T PUT IT
ON MY THERAPY RESOURCES FOR
FOLKS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
QUIT EITHER NOT WORKING WE'RE
FINE EMPLOYERS WILL AND
THE WAR FOR TALENT IS REALLY
BEING ONE YOU KNOW TO A GREAT
EXTENT ON MENTAL
HEALTH BENEFITS.
>> YEAH, YOU MENTIONED FOR NOW
IT IS INCREDIBLY HIGH IT SOUNDS
SO INTERESTING BECAUSE
WORKING FROM HOME YOU WOULD
THINK THAT THE BURNETT WOULD BE
SO HIGH BUT WE'RE WORKING MORE
HOURS AT OUR HOUSE AS A RESULT
OF ALL OF THIS. SO HOW ARE A
LOT OF THESE IN
LORI EASE DEALING AND COPING
WITH THIS EXCESSIVE BURNOUT
THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE FEELING
RIGHT NOW.
>> HEALTH DISCUSSION HAS BEEN
SUCKED UP BY TOP PANDEMIC BUT
MENTAL HEALTH HAS BEEN CALLED
KIND OF THE SECOND PANDEMIC
PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH LOSS
AND ISOLATION AND
ALONE AT HOME AND AT THE SAME
TIME THE OPIOID CRISIS THAT WE
KNEW WAS GOING ON BEFORE
THE PANEL THAT HAS ACTUALLY
GOTTEN WORSE, YOU KNOW
ADDICTIONS AND DROP A DRUG
OVERDOSE DEATHS ARE YOU
HAVE CLIMBED. WELL WE'VE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT COVID SO PEOPLE
REALLY DON'T KNOW A COLD RIGHT
NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO COPE, YOU
KNOW PERSONALLY BUT TAKING TIME
I WEAR IT WHEN THEY CAN BUT THE
SAME TIME THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT
LOSING THEIR JOBS AND
ECONOMIC CONTEXT. SO WHAT THEY
REALLY NEED IS FOR THEIR
EMPLOYERS THEIR MANAGER SPECIAL
ESPECIALLY TO CHECK IN AND SAY
HOW ARE YOU
DOING PERSONALLY.
>> OKAY SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
ADDICTION AREA IN THIS BECAUSE
THAT'S ALSO INTERESTING BECAUSE
BLOOMBERG ACTUALLY HAD A NEW
STUDY SAYING THE DRUG OVER
HOUSES ARE ON THE RISE RIGHT
NOW ARE THESE
NUMBERS ARE ABOUT THE RISE IN
ADDICTION IS THAT SHOCKING TO
YOU AT ALL.
>> ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE YOU KNOW
JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER AMERICAN
I'VE BEEN THINKING ONLY ABOUT
THE PANDEMIC DURING
THIS TIME AND TO HEAR THAT
THERE'S THIS OTHER CRISIS THAT
WE JUST ESSENTIALLY IGNORED YOU
KNOW
THE MEDIA WE TALKED ABOUT IT IS
REALLY SAD AND AND IT'S A
CONTRIBUTOR TO THE WORKER
SHORTAGE THAT WE'RE SEEING NOW
THE LABOR MARKET IS SUFFERING
AS A RESULT
OF IT AND YOU KNOW YOU IT MAKES
SENSE JUST FOR THE SAME REASONS
THE PANDEMIC'S ISOLATION HAS
MADE P BOTH MENTAL HEALTH
WORSENED, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE
THAT IF SHE WILL WORSEN AND
IT'S ALSO REALLY VERY MUCH
SEEKING TO WORK WITH YOU KNOW
THAT
THE SHOW EMPLOYERS WHO SAY
ADDICTION EITHER FROM THEIR
EMPLOYEES OR THEIR EMPLOYEES
FAMILY MEMBERS AFFECTED THEIR
WORK PRODUCT
IS GROWING.
>> OKAY SO A LOT OF EMPLOYERS
OUT THERE ARE TRYING TO
OBVIOUSLY COMBAT THIS AND
OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO FIND WAYS
TO INCENTIVIZE WORKERS TO
STAY WITH THE COMPANY THAT
INCLUDES TAKING MENTAL HEALTH
DAYS THAT INCLUDES THERAPY
SESSIONS I VIRTUALLY OR
IN PERSON. BUT HE'S NOT EVEN
GOING TO SUFFICE IF YOU CAN
CORRECT THE BURN OUT ISSUE
FIRST I GUESS.
>> I THINK EVEN
STEPPING BACK FURTHER IS THAT
YOU KNOW A NEW SURVEY BY THE
INSURANCE COMPANY HARTFORD
FOUND THAT 72% OF US EMPLOYERS
SAY THAT THE STIGMA AROUND
MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION IS
STOPPING THEIR EMPLOYEES FOR
EVEN FOR ME IT'S PEAKING SO
THERE NEEDS TO BE A CULTURAL
SHIFT.
WHERE IT BECOMES OK TO SAY THAT
YOU'RE HAVING A BAD DAY FOR
YOUR MIND AND MANAGERS LEARNED
CHECK IN AND ASK PEOPLE HOW
THEY'RE DOING AND THERE'S NO
BAD AND
YOU KNOW STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH
SAYING THAT I'M NOT HAVING A
GOOD DAY SO THAT THAT IS THE
FIRST STEP AND THEN
BEYOND THAT COMPANIES NEED TO
BE MORE OPEN ABOUT THIS LEADERS
THEMSELVES YOU NEED TO BE MORE
VULNERABLE YOU SEE A LOT OF CEO
STEPPING UP AND SAY AYE HAVING
A ROUGH GO OF IT AND THAT IS
GREAT TOO AND AND WITH WITH
BUILDING SLOWLY. WE'LL START TO
SEE KIND OF MENTAL HEALTH OF
CORPORATE AMERICA, NOT BEING
COMPLETELY SEPARATE
CONVERSATION THAT MORE.
>> OKAY, SO WHEN EMPLOYEES
ERICA START COMING BACK TO THE
OFFICE, YOU KNOW EITHER IF
THAT'S THIS FALL OR MAYBE THE
START OF
NEXT YEAR. DO YOU THINK THEY
WERE GOING TO SEE MAYBE A TON
OF PEOPLE RESIGNED BEFORE THEY
GO TO THE
OFFICE BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE
EASIER TO LEAVE A COMPANY RIGHT
NOW CITING MELT MENTAL HEALTH
CONCERNS, IT WOULD BE GOING
BACK TO THE OFFICE DEALING WITH
THE BURNOUT AND ALL THE THINGS
THAT YOU GET OUT IN OFFICE
BECAUSE YOU ARE NO LONGER AT
HOME ANYMORE.
>> ABSOLUTELY I MEAN I FEEL
LIKE PEOPLE SENSE OF BELONGING
TO THEIR COMPANY IS AT AN
ALL-TIME LOW RIGHT NOW BECAUSE
A LOT OF
THEM HAVE SEEN OR HEARD FROM
COLLEAGUES IN MONTHS, YOU KNOW
BEYOND THE ONES THAT WORK WITH
DIRECTLY SO I THINK A LOT OF
THAT.
>> AND IS A BIG REASON WE
COULD SEE.
>> THIS HAPPENING WHICH IS WHY
COMPANIES REALLY SHOULD STEP UP
BOTH THE MENTAL HEALTH CONTEXT,
BUT ALSO IN JUST A
YOU SINGER AL CONTEXT ARE
HAVING ANYTHING YOU CAN DO YOU
KNOW IT'S A VIRTUAL PARTY
WHETHER IT'S SENDING
GIFT BOXES, 2 EMPLOYEES TO MAKE
THEM FEEL THAT SENSE OF
ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE
RIGHT, YOU KNOW ONE OF THE BIG
DRIVERS OF THE GREAT
RESIGNATIONS PEOPLE JUST DON'T
FEEL SEEN OR HEARD ANYMORE THEY
JUST WANT.
>> OK SO YOU THINK COMPANIES
ARE ACTIVELY TAKING NOTE OF
THIS LEAK DO YOU THINK
COMPANIES
ARE AWARE AND THAT THIS IS A
POTENTIALLY SYSTEMIC ISSUE
WITHIN THE COMPANY AND THAT
THEY'RE TAKING PROACTIVE
MEASURES TO TO FIX THAT YOU
THINK COMPANIES ARE DOING THAT.
>> WAS DEFINITELY VERY YOU KNOW
COMPANIES AND HR DEPARTMENTS
ARE SEEING THE MENTAL HEALTH
AND FOR NOW
IN A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T
TAKEN A VACATION BECAUSE
THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR
THINGS TO OPEN UP, YOU KNOW WHY
WASTE MEDICATION IT'S JUST
GOING TO BE WHOLE THEY SEE THAT
WE'RE NOT AS HIGH THE BIG
ISSUES. THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW
WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU
KNOW THERE ISN'T YOU.
IT'S LIKE A BIT ON THIS YOU
HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT IT THERE'S DIFFERENT
TYPES OF BENEFITS THEY HAVE TO
OFFER. I THINK WE'RE AT.
VERY MUCH COMPANIES ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT A BIG DRIVER OF THE
GREATEST NATION IS GOING TO BE
THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECT
OF THINGS THEY JUST DON'T
REALLY KNOW HOW TO STOP IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE A TRAIN THAT YOU
CAN'T STOP.
>> WELL TOP OF THAT TO THINK
THAT THIS
CRAZY LABOR MARKET THAT WE'RE
IN WHERE THERE IS JUST SUCH A
MASSIVE SUPPLY OF JOBS OUT
THERE, HE'S GOING TO CONTINUE
JUST EVEN PAST THE PANDEMIC
BECAUSE NOW PEOPLE HAVE SORT OF
RECALIBRATED WHAT IS IMPORTANT
WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR BUSINESS
PROSPECTS OUT THERE THAT
ESSENTIALLY THIS LABOR MARKET
STAYS ESSENTIALLY AS IS FOR AT
LEAST THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
>> THIS WEEK THE MARKET WILL BE
OPEN ROLES IS DEFINITELY GOING
TO CONTINUE INTO NEXT YEAR INTO
THE ER AFTER THAT BUT I THINK
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING
REALLY POSITIVE AT THE END OF
THIS YOU KNOW THERE IS GREATLY
SHOPOPOLY HAPPENING PEOPLE ARE
TAKING SOME TIME TO SIT BACK,
THEY KNOW THEY
HAVE OPTIONS. THERE MAY BE
GOING TO THE JOB THAT THEY FEEL
BETTER DOING WHETHER YOU KNOW
THEY HATED BEING INSIDE FOR A
YEAR AND THEY WANT TO DO A
JOB THAT THEY'LL BE OUTSIDE
MORE WHETHER THEY WANT BETTER
WORK LIFE
BALANCE WEATHER. YOU KNOW
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING FROM HOME
AND THEY WANT TO GO TO A
COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO BE IN
PERSON ALL THE TIME SO THEY
HAVE THAT
CONNECTION AGAIN SO WE'RE GOING
TO SEE THIS GREAT RESHUFFLING
AND THEN BY THE END OF 2022
HOPEFULLY WILL SEAL A LOT MORE
PEOPLE EMPLOYED IN JOBS, THEY
ACTUALLY WANT WHICH IS BETTER
FOR THEIR MENTAL HEALTH WHICH
IS BETTER FOR TALENT RETENTION
BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY AT ALL.
>> AND HE IS THE EXPECTATION
HERE THAT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN
THAT BECOMES ALMOST A PERMANENT
2 TO 3 DAYS MAYBE IN THE OFFICE
AND THAT ESSENTIALLY BECOMES
THE PERMIT A WORKING MODEL AS A
RESULT OF THAT.
>> A PART OF THIS IS THAT A
LOT OF THE UNCERTAINTY
AROUND WORK AND THIS IS THE
MENTAL ASPECT OF THIS TOO IS
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR
COMPANIES ARE GOING TO DO AND
THAT'S BECAUSE COMPANIES ARE
REALLY AFRAID OF SAYING THIS IS
GOING TO BE A RETURN OF MORE
POLLS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT
YOU
SHOULD LEAVE. SO THEY'RE GOING
TO KEEPING A VERY WISHY-WASHY
SAY YOU KNOW WE MIGHT DO HIGH
GRADE YOU MIGHT BE UP TO
EMPLOYEES PEOPLE WANT TO TELL
DO YOU EXPECT ME TO BE WITHIN
COMMUTING DISTANCE OF MY
OFFICE, YOU EXPECT ME TO BE
IN ON MONDAYS AND FRIDAYS WHAT
DO YOU WANT FROM ME AND AS
COMPANY START TO MAKE THAT
CLEAR EMPLOYEES
WILL START SHE WAS THE MODELS
THAT WORK FOR THAT WHETHER IT'S
A 2 TO 3 DAYS IN WHETHER IT'S
IN ALL THE TIME WHETHER IT'S