>> WELCOME
>> BACK NOW TO THIS VERY
SPECIAL EDITION OF CHEDDAR
MOVERS THE ROAD TO
5 G. HERE IN NEW YORK CITY YOU
CAN'T WALK DOWN THE STREET
WITHOUT BEING BOMBARDED WITH AN
AD FROM A WIRELESS COMPANY
ABOUT SO-CALLED
5 G BUT EXACTLY IS 5 G WELL 5 G
IS A COLLECTION OF TECHNOLOGIES
THAT REPRESENTS THE 5TH
GENERATION OF
WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY. THEY
REALLY FAST WIRELESS SPEEDS
LIKE 10 TO 100 TIMES FASTER
THAN WHAT YOU GET NOW ON YOUR 4
G
LTE SMARTPHONE.
>> THAT'S CRAZY COMPANIES
TALKING UP HIS THIS NEWS HE
WILL MAKE OUR CITIES HARDER AND
ALLOW US TO HAVE THINGS LIKE
DRIVERLESS CARS.
PRETTY PICTURE OF A LIGHTNING
FAST WIRELESS INTERNET BLOG
GETTING THE COUNTRY HELPING
HEAL THE STAGE WELL THE VI
WE'VE GOT BETWEEN CITIES AND
THE RURAL AMERICA SOUNDS PRETTY
GREAT RIGHT
WELL ADULT HOLD YOUR BREATH,
ALTHOUGH MAJOR WIRELESS
COMPANIES IN THE US FOR EYES
AND SPRINT T MOBILE AND ATNT
ARE ALL WORKING ON THIS DECK.
IN YEARS AWAY FROM THAT VISION
BECOMING A REALITY, THE
INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED TO
SUPPORT THIS NETWORK
IS MASSIVE AND HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF TOWERS IN MILLIONS
OF MILES OF FIBER OPTIC CABLE
AND THAT.
THIS HAS TO BE INSTALLED THAT
REQUIRES DIGGING UP ROADS
GETTING PERMITS TO DO THAT AND
OF COURSE FINDING PLACES FOR
ALL THOSE SMALL TOWN TENNIS.
>> IN FACT SOME EXPERTS EVEN
SAY IT COULD TAKE MORE THAN A
DECADE FOR A FULL ROLLOUT OF
5 G PART OF THE REASON IS THAT
5 G TECH WORKS DIFFERENTLY THAN
THE 4 G AND 3 G CELLULAR ATTACK
WE'VE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO IN
ORDER TO PROVIDE ACCESS
TO THE SPEED AND TIME DOES NEED
TO BE MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER THAN
TRADITIONAL CELL TOWERS.
CITIES IN THE US AND
ABROAD ARE ALREADY GETTING
PUSHBACK FROM RESIDENTS WHO
DON'T WANT THESE NEW ANTENNAS
ON THE WEB POST AND
UTILITY POLES CLOSE TO WHERE
THEY LIVE THEY SAID HEALTH
RISKS EVEN THOUGH THOSE RISKS
ARE AT THIS POINT AND FOUND IT
STILL TOWNS HAVE
MADE RULES LIMITING THE ABILITY
OF WIRELESS COMPANIES TO
INSTALL THESE ANTENNAS, BUT THE
SEC AND REPUBLICAN EDGE PI IS
MOVING AT MAKING IT EASIER.
FOR COMPANIES TO INSTALL THIS
TECHNOLOGY. HERE'S WHAT PIE
SAID AT AN EVENT AT THE WHITE
HOUSE BACK IN APRIL.
>> 5 G WILL IMPROVE AMERICANS
LIVES IN SO MANY WAYS AND AS
YOU POINTED OUT MISTER
PRESIDENT WE DON'T WANT RURAL
AMERICANS TO BE
LEFT BEHIND. MISTER PRESIDENT
THAT'S WHY I'M PLEASED TO
REPORT THAT AMERICA IS NOW WELL
POSITIONS TO WIN THE RACE
TOO FAST. SECURE AND RELIABLE,
5 G.
>> BUT PERHAPS A GOOD WAY TO
THINK ABOUT WHEN WILL BE CLOSER
TO A 5 G FUTURE IS A LOOK AT
HOW
THE IPHONE AND OTHER PHONE
MANUFACTURERS ARE THINKING
ABOUT IT AFTER ALL YOU NEED 5 G
ENABLED HER
WHERE IN ORDER TO TAP INTO
THESE SAM'S ON APPLE FALLING
MOTOROLA IT ALL SOME WAY IN
SOME WAY ANNOUNCE 5 G MAYBE
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF APPLE,
BUT THOSE BRAND NEW IPHONES
THAT APPLE ANNOUNCE LAST WEEK
AS I MENTIONED THEY DON'T HAVE
MY TAKING ABILITY.
>> THEY DON'T WAS COUNTRIES
LIKE CHINA AND SOUTH KOREA WRAP
UP 5 G COVERAGE, THE US
IS HER ING TO LAY THE
GROUNDWORK FOR THIS WIRELESS
REVOLUTION AS WELL.
>> OK SO THAT IS THE GROUNDWORK
THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH HERE
WHAT 5 G IS AND ALSO SOME OF
THE CONCERNS OF WITH US TO
BREAK DOWN THE OTHER WHO WHAT
WHERE WHY OF HOW 5 G TECHNOLOGY
COULD IMPACT WILL COME OUT FOR
CONSUMERS AND
BUSINESSES IS RUSSELL HOLLY
MANAGING EDITOR OF MOBILE
NATIONS AND ALSO GOT HERE ON
SAID BEN FOX RUBIN SENIOR
REPORTER AT
SEA NET GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH
WITH US AND I THINK THE BIG
QUESTION YOU WANT TO START OFF
WITH IS THIS 5 G KIND OF A
MYTHICAL UNICORN OR
IS IT OVER-HYPED TECHNOLOGY
RUSSELL YOU'RE ALREADY LAUGHING
HERE SO I GO TO YOU FIRST.
>> YES, THERE IS DEFINITELY NOT
A UNICORN BUT OVERHYPED IS IS
YOU KNOW A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT A
LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT AGO
RIGHT NOW
IT'S A THE DEATH IS BEING
DEPLOYED IS MOST USEFUL IN
DENSELY POPULATED URBAN AREAS
AND THEN AFTER THE THE YOU KNOW
COMMENTS MADE BY CHAIR UMPIRE
YOU KNOW EARLIER AREAS ARE
REALLY GOING TO TAKE A VERY
LONG TIME TO TO SEE ANYTHING
RESEMBLING THE KIND OF THING
THAT WE'RE SEEING IN NEW YORK
AND CHICAGO IN DC RIGHT NOW
IT'S ALSO WORTH POINTING OUT
THAT A LOT OF THE SAME RURAL
AREAS DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE
RELIABLE 4 G RIGHT NOW SO IT'S
IT'S KIND OF A
TOUGH SELL.
>> ALL RIGHT THEN IS IT A
MYTHICAL UNICORN OR IS IT KIND
OF OVER HYPED THIS POINT YES,
BOTH OH YEAH, I MEAN
LOOK BY.
>> AT THE SAME TIME WE REALLY
ARE EXPECTING THIS TO BE PRETTY
REVOLUTIONARY IN THE COMING
YEARS THAT MIGHT TAKE MAYBE 5
YEARS SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT
AT THE SAME TIME.
SOME OF THE BIG PROMISES A 5 G.
WE'RE EXPECTING WILL COME
EVENTUALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
DRONES SELF-DRIVING CARS TELE
MEDICINE, THOSE A REALLY BIG
IDEAS AND IT'S NOT JUST FASTER
SPEEDS, IT'S REALLY ENABLING
NEW TECHNOLOGY.
>> IT WILL TAKE US THROUGH SOME
OF THOSE NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND
HOW 5 G WILL ENABLE THOSE
BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE
HERE AT LEAST FROM THAT THE
ADVOCATES IN THE TELECOM
PROVIDERS RIGHT NOW AND THERE
ARE PLENTY OF SKEPTICS OUT
THERE WHO SAY HEY THIS IS A
FUTURE BEING
PAINTED BY. PEOPLE YOU DON'T
ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING
TO BE SEEING IN THE NEXT
2 YEARS RIGHT SO PROBABLY THE
MOST SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL I
WOULD SAY WOULD BE IN TELLING
MADISON THE BIG PROMISE OR THE
POTENTIAL HERE IS THAT.
>> YOU HAVE SOME OF THE
GREATEST DOCK THERE'S IN THE
WORLD THAT MIGHT BE
ABLE TO SURGERY OR LAG LE
SURGERY SOMEWHERE IN JUST BERLE
AREAS IN AFRICA,
SOUTH AMERICA, A RURAL CHINA
DIFFERENT AREAS LIKE THAT AND
THAT'S BECAUSE OF A 5 G
CONNECTION THAT HAS
NO LAG SO THEY'RE BEING SO
ESSENTIALLY THEY'LL
USE INSTRUMENTS REMOTELY OR
THEY WILL PROVIDE INSTRUCTION
IN DON'T YOU WOULD. IN THEORY
IT WOULD BE REMOTE
IN STERN THAT'S BECAUSE 5 G IS
THAT FAST IT'S THE LAG IS ABOUT
ONE MILLISECOND SOMETHING LIKE
THAT WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY
LOWER IT'S
ABOUT 20 MILLISECONDS FOR 4 G
NOW YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT'S
REALLY ALL THAT SIGNIFICANT
EXCEPT WHEN TALKING ABOUT A
LIFE SAVING
SURGERY NOW AGAIN THIS IS A BIG
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
REALLY AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW, AND
IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE
FOR QUITE A WHILE.
>> RIGHT SO WE HAVE SOME TIME
IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW WE
CAN ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND GET
OURSELVES READY SO I GUESS THE
NEXT REALLY BIG QUESTION HAS
BEEN HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO PAY FOR A 5 G PREMIUM.
RUSSELL AND BEN RUSSELL ALL
ALSO BACK TO YOU FIRST AGAIN ON
THIS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO
PAY A LOT MORE AND FOR HOW LONG
DO YOU THINK.
>> WELL SO IF YOU LOOK AT BY
THE DEVICES RIGHT NOW THERE'S
OBVIOUSLY A PREMIUM ASSOCIATED
WITH IT BY A 5 G VERSION OF A
PHONE THAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY
ARE GOING TO PAY A LITTLE MORE
FOR IT I COMES A LITTLE BIGGER
BATTERY IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK
QUITE AS WELL AND THAT'S
PROBABLY GOING TO CONTINUE FOR
AT LEAST THE NEXT YEAR TO WHAT
WE KIND OF
SORT OUT YOU KNOW BATTERY DRAIN
IN CERTAIN AREAS AND IN SOME
CASES
HEAT. DISTRIBUTION TO THEIR
SOME ADDITIONAL HEAT INVOLVED
IN A LOT OF ID EXPERIENCES
RIGHT NOW SO YOU KNOW FROM FROM
JUST A GENERAL CONSUMER
PERSPECTIVE, BUYING THAT PHONE
IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT
MORE EXPENSIVE FOR FOR THE
IMMEDIATE FUTURE AS FAR AS
LONG TERM. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF
INDICATION THAT THERE'S GOING
TO BE A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN
SAY YOUR MONTHLY BILL AH BUT
THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
ROLLOUT SO IT IT WOULD BE
NATURAL FOR THERE TO BE SOME
INCREASE. THERE IN THAT KIND OF
A YOU KNOW 5 G EXCITEMENT
BUT I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW THE
CARRIERS ARE TRYING REALLY HARD
TO MAKE THAT YOU'RE PART OF THE
EXISTING SET UP AND NOT
YOU KNOW KIND OF THE SEPARATE
HERE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO
REACH FOR.
>> RIGHT THEN I MEAN FOR EYES
AND SAYING IT WOULD INTRODUCE 5
G IN THESE AREAS LIKE CA GO IN
MINNEAPOLIS THAT HAPPENED OF
COURSE BACK IN THIS RIGHT BUT
FOR AN ADDITIONAL $10 A MONTH
THAT SOME ARE LOOKING AT THIS
AS A WAY FOR HER EYES, ANOTHER
KEY AREAS
TO TEST OUR APPETITE FOR PACE
FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DO YOU
THINK THAT APPETITE IS THERE.
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY AS RUSSELL
WAS SAYING
THIS IS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT A
PREMIUM TIER SERVICE SO THEY
ARE TRYING A LOT OF THE
CARRIERS IN THE UNITED STATES
ARE REALLY TRYING TO
PUSH THIS IN THE PREMIUM AND
THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE
BACK A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT
THEY MADE ON INFRASTRUCTURE
OVER THE PAST COUPLE
YEARS SO RISE AND SO FAR HAS
WAIVED THAT $10 FEE BECAUSE
IT'S SO SPOTTY RIGHT NOW, BUT
AT THE SAME TIME,
MULTIPLE CARRIERS ARE REALLY
SAID THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO
COST A LITTLE BIT MORE WHICH BY
THE WAY IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED
WITH 4 G BUT IT MIGHT HAPPEN A
LITTLE BIT MORE NOW YOU KNOW
WHAT'S SO INTERESTING ABOUT
THIS GUYS
IS THAT I THINK WE'RE G IF IT
WORKS
REALLY WELL WELL I I DON'T
DESIRE FASTER SPEEDS AS A
CONSUMER I MEAN I IF I'M
WATCHING VIDEOS. IT'S THE WHAT
YOU SAY NOW IT'S
IT WORK SO WELL SO WHAT I'M
HEARING YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THE
5 G FUTURE AND RUSSELL GO TO
>> THE APPLICATIONS FOR SOUTH
SO MUCH MORE PROMISING ON
A COMMERCIAL BASIS LIKE WHAT
BEN WAS SPEAKING TO THEM REALLY
ON A CONSUMER BASE, I MEAN
MAYBE MAKING CASE FOR
THE CONSUMER WE'RE HERE I MEAN
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WALKING
AROUND WITH THE PHONE IN OUR
POCKETS THAT ARE 100 TIMES
FASTER THAN THE 4 G LTE
NETWORKS, I'M USED
TO IT.
>> YES THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING
RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE
COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE BENEFITS
ARE CLEARLY THERE, ESPECIALLY
WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING
CALLED 5 G
MESH NETWORKING WHICH IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT GETS TALKED
ABOUT A TIME WHEN IT COMES TO
THIS PARTICULAR FEATURE IS THAT
YOU KNOW INSTEAD OF HAVING A
100 INDIVIDUAL DEVICES THAT
CONNECT TO THE NETWORK
ON THEIR OWN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE
A SINGLE HOST OF ICE IN A WHOLE
BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS CONNECT
TO A KIND LIKE A WHITE FIRE
OUT. BUT ALL OF THEM ARE
CONNECTED TO 5 G THAT WAY AND
THAT HAS A LOT OF ENTERPRISE
BENEFITS BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT A
TON OF A INDIVIDUAL
BENEFITS UNLESS.
>> YOU START TALKING ABOUT
RURAL ROAD MORE ROLL ROLL OUT
SORRY WHERE YOU CAN START
PUTTING THE USE A MESS NOW
WORKS AT HOME AND HAVE THAT BE
THE HOME INTERNET CONNECTION
AND THAT OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE
THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW WHEN
IT COMES TO JUST HAVING YOUR
PHONE BE A
5 G PHONE RATHER HAVING YOUR
ENTIRE HOUSE BE A 5 G NETWORK
DOESN'T THE STILL REQUIRE
THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> OF LAYING FIBER OPTIC CABLE
TO RURAL AREAS.
>> ABSOLUTELY YES, SO SO HOW IS
HOW IS THIS GOING TO HELP RURAL
AMERICA, GIVEN THAT WE
STILL SEEN A GROWING DIGITAL
DIVIDE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE
INTEREST INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED
TO
LAY CABLE FOR FOR HIGH SPEED
BROADBAND INTERNET
AND THE.
>> WELL THAT IS ONE OF THE
SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOVE
FOR THE COULD ANSWERS TO BUT
UNFORTUNATELY THE CLOSEST THING
WE HAVE TO REALLY ANSWER IS
CHAIRMAN PIE SAYING WE'RE
TOTALLY GOING TO DO IT. SO YOU
KNOW IT'S IT'S IT'S A DIFFICULT
THING.
>> WE HAVE SET THE STAGE FOR
LIKE WE ARE ALL JOURNALISTS
HERE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SAY
IN HOW THIS IS GOING TO GET HOW
ABOUT IF WE REALLY WANTED TO
MAKE THIS DYNAMIC IN HAVE THAT
CAN THE COMPANY'S COME
ON IN ANSWER KIND OF FOR
THEMSELVES I THINK THIS WOULD
YOU KNOW KIND OF BE A DIFFERENT
ROUTE TO BECAUSE WE'RE ALL
SPECULATING HERE AND JUST TRY
TO READ THE TEA LEAVES. BUT FOR
THAT RACE AND WE SAW A MAP OF
JUST HOW QUICKLY THESE
COMPANIES ARE TRYING TO GET 5 G
UP YOU KNOW IF YOUR SPRING TO
YOUR OF ARISING
HOW MUCH OF THIS IS A RACE TO
BE FIRST
VERSUS MAY THE WAITING AROUND
AND MAYBE THEN PIGGYBACK OFF OF
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAY BE
A COMPETITOR HAS BUILT THEN.
>> THE OTHER RACE TO BE FIRST
IS OBVIOUSLY REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR A LOT OF THESE CARRIERS
MORE SO THAN FOR CONSUMERS
THEMSELVES. I WOULD PROBABLY
SAY CONSUMERS AREN'T REALLY
PAYING ATTENTION MUCH TO ALL
THESE LITTLE INCREMENTAL
CHANGES THAT ARE GOING ON, BUT
AT THE SAME TIME FOR EYES AND
REALLY TRIED
TO PUSH THEIR HOME 5 G CONCEPT
REALLY QUICKLY TO SAY HEY WE
WERE FIRST IN THE UNITED STATES
BECAUSE THEY REALLY SEE THIS AS
AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY LOOK
LOOK WHAT AN AMAZING NETWORK.
WE HAVE LOOK HOW FORWARD WE ARE
WITH OUR EFFORT, IT'S AN 18 TO
WASN'T TOO FAR BEHIND WITH.
>> WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE
FIRST IF WE DON'T HAVE THESE
PHONES YET.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION
AT THIS POINT A GUN IT DOESN'T
SEEM LIKE CONSUMERS REALLY CARE
ABOUT THE
FIRST BITE.
FOR EYES AND AN ATNT ESPECIALLY
REALLY DO SEE THAT AS BRAGGING
RIGHTS AND THEY PROBABLY LOOK
AT IT AS A MARKETING
OPPORTUNITY, THE IN
FUTURE YEARS THE SAY HEY WE
WERE FIRST IN 5 G WERE FIRST IN
THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S HOW
GOOD WE ARE WITH THAT OTHER
BEYOND THAT I DON'T REALLY
KNOW.
I WAS GOING SAY JUST ANOTHER
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION
BEFORE WE GO TO BREAK HERE
HAS BEEN ABOUT HEALTH AND THERE
HAVE GROUPS RUNNING UP AROUND
THE COUNTRY THAT OUR CONSUMER
ADVOCACY GROUPS THAT SAY HEY WE
DON'T WANT THIS 5 G TECHNOLOGY
IN
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DO THINK
IT'S HARMFUL TO HEALTH DESPITE
THE FACT THAT THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION HAS NOT FOUND ANY
HARMFUL
LINKS BETWEEN.
>> ELECTRO MAGNETIC FIELDS AND
HEALTH HEALTH
REST SO, 4 G AND
5 G TECHNOLOGY. I'M RUSSELL
WANT TO START WITH WHAT DO YOU
MAKE OF THE CONVERSATION AROUND
HEALTH AND 5 G.
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW AT THE RISK
OF BEING YOU KNOW KIND OF
CYNICAL AND MOCKING I'VE UH YOU
KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR
A LITTLE OVER 10 YEARS NOW AND
EVERY YEAR THAT I TRAVELED THE
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW IN
VEGAS. THERE'S ALWAYS A CROWD
OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE HOLDING SIGNS
PROTESTING THE CONSUMER
ELECTRONICS SHOW SPECIFICALLY
BECAUSE
A WIRELESS. YOU KNOW TO TO YOU
KNOW KIND OF THE HUMAN BEING
AND THERE'S JUST NEVER BEEN A
LOT OF RESEARCH TO BACK THIS UP
AND AND THERE'S BEEN CERTAINLY
YOU KNOW QUITE A BIT IN THE WAY
OF TESTING AND YOU KNOW
MEDICAL JOURNALING TO TRY AND
DOCUMENT THESE EXPERIENCES TO
FIND VERY
LITTLE RESULTS. 5 G IS STILL
VERY SO YOU KNOW KIND OF LONGER
FORM STUDIES ARE NOT A THING
THAT ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE
YET. BUT THERE'S JUST NO
EVIDENCE TO BACK UP BASED ON
HOW WE UNDERSTAND THIS
TECHNOLOGY WORKS THAT THERE ARE
ANY LONG-TERM HEALTH ISSUES
HERE.
>> IT JUST MAKES ME SO
UNCOMFORTABLE AND I JUST HAVE
TO BUT IN AN AND PERSONAL
ANECDOTE
YOU KNOW MY FOR LIVES IN
HOBOKEN AND OUTSIDE OF HIS
WINDOW DIRECTLY OUTSIDE IS
A NEW 5 G TOWER LOOKING OUT AT
IT I COVER THIS EVERY DAY I
KNOW THAT THERE IS NO INSTEAD
SHE ADDED CLAIMS OF ANY
TYPE OF HELP OR HARM TO MY
BUT I.
>> I STILL GET NERVOUS. I DON'T
I DON'T LOOK AT IT AND I WILL
OR NOT.
>> IT'S A PART OF THE
CONVERSATION HERE IS NOT JUST
THAT THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE
DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE
HEALTH RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE
UNFOUNDED
THIS POINT IT'S THAT THE
ESTHETIC ELEMENT WHERE THESE
THESE WILL BE SO THERE WILL BE.
BY SOME ESTIMATES 800,000 IS
THE DENSITY THAT'S RIGHT YOU
DON'T SIT THERE AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN.
>> THERE THEY ARE EYESORES I
HAD A GREAT VIEW AND NOW I HAVE
A.
>> THAT BEFORE WE GO TO BREAK
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE WHOLE
>> ASCENSION OF OUR TO AGREE
WITH RUSSELL THAT A LOT OF THE
INFORMATION IS INCONCLUSIVE AT
THIS POINT THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION
THAT SAY CERTAIN TYPES OF CELL
YOUR LITTLE WAVES ARE
POTENTIALLY CARCINOGENIC BUT
THEY ALSO SAID PICKLED
VEGETABLES AND COFFEE OR
POTENTIALLY CARCINOGENIC SO YOU
DO HAVE TO
WAY THOSE CONSIDERATIONS FROM
WHAT HOPE
WAS SAYING 5 G NETWORKS ARE
GOING TO BE MUCH MORE PREVALENT
IN PEOPLE'S LIVES. THAT'S JUST
THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING A
LOT MORE STUFF AND DENSER AREAS
SO I DO
BELIEVE THAT. CARRIERS ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUT IN
FRONT OF THIS THEY'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT AND A 3RD
IF THERE ARE HEALTH CONCERNS
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
DISCUSS THEM AND MAYBE TRY TO.
RAISE THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY
CAN DO ABOUT IT BEFORE REALLY
GOES OUT OF CONTROL.
>> RIGHT BUT JUST BE CLEAR
THERE IS NO SOLID EVIDENCE AT
ALL RIGHT NOW THE FIVE-YEAR ANY
MOBILE TECH. SO JUST TO PUT
THAT OUT THERE FOR
FOR MYSELF. A QUICK BREAK
RUSSELL AND BEN STICKING AROUND
WE'LL BE BACK TO DISCUSS MORE
ABOUT THE COMPANY'S IN A
POSITION TO CAPITALIZE ON 5 G
NEXT.
>> IN IN SUCH AN ARRIVES FOR
ALL THE LATEST IN
TRANSPORTATION NEWS.
>> THE BOARD OF INVESTORS ARE
CHALLENGING AMERICA TO FIX THE
NEXT BIG IDEA DURING A 62ND.
>> BOX CUTTERS CANDIDATE IS FOR
ALL YOUR MARIJUANA BUSINESS
NEWS.
>> BETTER EVEN THOUGH POT GET
THAT BACK AS THE WINNING
TICKET.
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SO AFTER AND ME CARLO VERSE ON
>> BUT THE CONTINUOUS FOR
WEEKEND WE ARE AWAITING
COMMENTS FROM PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP THIS LEAVE THAT HAPPENED
DURING THE TESTING OF A
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>> PLOT OR HAS YOU KILL L
YOU'RE CONSIDERING NOT PLAYING
THIS UPCOMING SEASON.
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RIGHT HERE YOU REALLY ARE.
>> THAT MONEY IN THE BANK BOSS
EXCESS ALIGNED WITH THE SUCCESS
OF THE WORLD AROUND US IT'S NOT
ALL THAT LAMB HERE IN THE CITY
OF ANGELS.
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BRAWL BETWEEN THESE CANDIDATES
WE NEED TO OPERATE FROM A PLACE
OF
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>> WELCOME BACK EVERYBODY TO
THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF CHEDDAR
MOVERS, THE ROAD TO 5 G WHAT.
>> THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF
COMPANIES VYING TO BECOME TOP
PLAYERS IN THE 5 YEARS
REVOLUTION, INCLUDING
SMARTPHONE MAKERS LIKE APPLE
AND CHIPMAKER IT'S LIKE
QUALCOMM RUSSELL HOLLY, THE
MANAGING EDITOR OF MOBILE
NATIONS AND A BEEN A FOX OR
EVEN SEE REPORTER IT SEEM THAT
THEY ARE CONTINUING WITH US
HELP US DIG DEEPER INTO 5 G A
CASE OF GUYS LET'S START WITH A
SMARTPHONE MAKERS
AND OF COURSE APPLE'S NEW
IPHONE 11 DOES NOT HAVE 5 IT'S
NOT A LIFE
OUT THERE.
>> IT'S OK IT'S OK I IT IS A
LETDOWN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF
I WISH APPLE WAS A
LITTLE BIT MORE INNOVATIVE
OBVIOUSLY SAME SUN CAME OUT
WITH THEIR NEW PHONE SEVERAL
MONTHS AGO, I THINK IT WAS BACK
IN MARCH AND NOT ONLY THAT THEY
DEVELOP A FOLDABLE PHONE BUT
THEY ALSO I HAVE 5 G IN ONE OF
THEIR AS 10 MODELS SO MORE A
POINT TO ME THAT
APPLE HAS BEEN KIND OF PLAYING
CATCH-UP FOR THE LAST COUPLE
YEARS NOW BY FROM A CONSUMER
PERSPECTIVE, IT REALLY ISN'T
ON THEM FROM THE CONSUMER
PERSPECTIVE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT
GOING TO BE JUMPING THE SAME
SIDE OR ANOTHER MANUFACTURER AT
THIS POINT BECAUSE 5 G ISN'T
REALLY A
SELLING POINT.
>> FOR CONSUMERS, YEAH, YEAH,
AND RUSSELL MEAN DON'T YOU
BELIEVE THAT APPLE IS JUST
PERFECTLY FINE, PLAYING CATCH
UP AFTER ALL THIS JUST HELPS
THEM WITH THEIR UPGRADE CYCLE
IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS
THEY CAN STILL SELL THESE
PHONES. THIS YEAR, THE
NEXT YEAR THEN MAKE PEOPLE BUY
THE NEWER PHONES.
>> I MEAN PLAYING CATCH-UP IS
CONSISTENT WITH APPLE'S
BUSINESS MODEL LIKE IT OR NOT
WHEN IT COMES TO YOU KNOW
PRETTY MUCH ANY FORM OF
TECHNOLOGY APPLE IS VERY RARELY
THE FIRST TO DO SOMETHING AND
IT'S ALSO WORTH POINTING OUT
THAT THE PHONES THAT ARE
ROLLING OUT RIGHT NOW WHETHER
THEY BE FROM LG ARE FROM
SAMSUNG ARE
A WHILE THAT HAVE 5 G ENABLED
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST PLAIN
NOT VERY GOOD, AH, YOU KNOW
THEY HAVE THEY HAVE BATTERY
ISSUES THEY HAVE THERMAL ISSUES
UH YOU KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF
THE TESTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE
BOTH CHUCK. GOING IN NEW YORK
WHERE THESE TESTS WITH WITH 5
YOU GET THESE REALLY COOL SPEED
TESTING A VERY HIGH AND
EVERYONE GETS EXCITED. BUT THEN
YOU KNOW
ONCE IT GETS A LITTLE WARMER
DROPS BACK INTO FOR DEEPER FEW
MINUTES UNTIL IT CAN PULL DOWN
AND GO BACK INTO 5 G AND NOBODY
WANTS THAT SO I'M I'M OKAY WITH
APPLE WAITING
ON THAT.
>> SO IRA FOG OF AN IMPEDIMENT
IS THAT TO BE GETTING RELIABLE
5 G TECHNOLOGY INSIDE OF
SMARTPHONES AS WE KNOW
IT TODAY.
>> I MEAN THAT THAT EVERYTHING
WENT INTO THE 2 BIG THINGS
THEY'RE OUR TEMPERATURE AND
BATTERY YOU KNOW THOSE ARE THE
2 CONSTANTS THAT YOU KNOW
FRUSTRATE EVERY PHONE
NO MATTER WHAT AND ESPECIALLY
WHEN IT COMES TO TEMPERATURE,
YOU KNOW IF I G STOPS WORKING
BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE WARM OUT
THAT DAY.
THAT'S THAT'S A PROBLEM AND
THAT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO NOTICE AND NOT CARE SO
MUCH IF THAT BECOMES YOU KNOW
KIND OF PART OF THE REGULAR
ROLE, A STRATEGY, BATTERY LIFE
IS ANOTHER APPLE JUST YOU KNOW
A BIG PART OF THE ROLLOUT OF
THE IPHONE 11 IN THAT IT'S GOT
4 OR 5 EXTRA HOURS OF BATTERY
TO IT ALL OF THAT GOES AWAY
WHEN YOU PUT A FIGHT THE RADIO
AND IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S
HAPPENED WITH THE SAM'S ABOUT
THE NO
10 5 G HAS A MUCH BIGGER BUT
WHEN YOU USE IT ON A 5 G
NETWORK. IT SEEMS CONSISTENT
WITH THE YOU KNOW NO 10 HIS
FIRST
LIKE THAT THOSE ARE BIG
IMPORTANT THINGS FOR PEOPLE.
>> YEAH I'VE ALWAYS FOUND
SAMSUNG PHONES TO ALSO SEE THAT
MUCH FASTER THERE IPHONES
DO AFTER EXTENDED USE A SOME
TIME SO EVEN MORE HEAT NOT A
GOOD THING, ESPECIALLY AS WE
GET INTO SAMSUNG'S
PAST ISSUES AND PLUS WE'RE
LOOKING AT HERE AT A DEMO OF
THE IPHONE 11 I THINK THE MOST
IMPORTANT PART OF THE FEATURE
OF THE IPHONE IS THE SLOW FEET.
YEAH, I'VE I'VE G WHEN YOU CAN
TAKE A SLOW MOTION AT THIS
POINT
OK WHAT IN OTHER DEVICES
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT OUR
LAPTOPS ARE NOW COMING WITH
CELERY CONNECTIVITY HOW MUCH
FURTHER OUT ARE WE FROM THAT
WE'RE GOING TO COME IN THOSE
FIRST AND THEN MAYBE LIKE.
SOMETHING AFTER THAT WILL GET
THEM AND
THEY COULD.
>> UPS YEAH AT THIS POINT
MANUFACTURERS ARE PROBABLY
REALLY HOPEFUL TO GET A
NATIONWIDE 5 G COVERAGE BY NEXT
YEAR FROM THE LEAST ATNT AND
AT LEAST ONE OF THE OTHER
CARRIERS AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT
GOES FROM THERE. THEY'RE HOPING
TO MAYBE SELL YOU. A NEW LAPTOP
SELL YOU. A NEW TELEVISION
IF YOU'RE WILLING TO BUY THIS
TOP 10. YEAH, THEY'LL
ABSOLUTELY TRY TO CRAM 5 GENE
AS MANY THINGS AS THEY CARRY
WITH THEM.
>> WE RECENTLY DID THE
INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESIDENT
ALL DISCUSSING THE ACQUISITION
OF THE REMAINING STAKE IN OUR F
3.16 THE IMPORTANCE OF
STEALING. OF 5 G FOR FALL FROM
US TAKE A QUICK LISTEN.
>> FRIDAY IS REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR US IS REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR THE INDUSTRY THE MOBILE
INDUSTRY IS ONE OF THE SINGLE
LARGEST EXPANSION OF THE ECO
SYSTEM OF WILL BUT ALSO TO
OTHER INDUSTRIES AND THE WAY WE
FEEL IS A UP
TO HERE TO 19 IS ABOUT
LAUNCHING 5 G EVERYWHERE.
I THINK WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO SEE
TRACTION OVER 20 OPERATORS IN
ALL GEOGRAPHIES LAUNCHING
5 G THE NEXT GOAL WHICH I THINK
WILL START 2020 IS TO SCALE 5
G.
>> THE NEXT GOAL IS TO A SCALE
5 G BEN DO YOU SEE QUALCOMM AS
BEING A BIG WINNER
WHEN IT. THE 5 G ABSOLUTELY
YEAH QUALCOMM IS DEFINITELY A
VERY BIG WINNER. THEY HAD A BIT
OF A SPAT WITH APPLE RECENTLY
AN APPLE NOW
IN THE IPHONE 11 DOESN'T HAVE 5
G THAT'S A BIT OF A
SIMPLIFICATION BUT AT THE SAME
TIME QUALCOMM IS EXTREMELY
WEALTHY MISSION WITH THEIR
CHIPS TO REALLY SUPPORT 5 G
AND THEY ABSOLUTELY SEE THE
POTENTIAL OF PUTTING THOSE 5 G
CHIPS IN ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT
PIECES
OF TECHNOLOGY.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER CHIP
MAKERS IN THE FALL AS WELL IN
THE NEWS A LOT AND NOT
FOR TECHNOLOGY INNOVATIONS YEAH
TODAY SAW THE FUTURE DO YOU
THINK GIVEN ALL THE CONCERN.
>> THAT CHINA IS A MASSIVE
MARKET AND ENOUGH ITSELF SO IF
WHILE WAY CAN MAINTAIN ITS
CONTACT ITS U S MANUFACTURED
SITS US SUPPLIERS THAT IT NEEDS
FOR
INSTANCE SITE GETTING ENJOYED
FROM GOOGLE I THINK THEY'LL
JUST THOUGH HOPEFULLY BE JUST
FINE SUPPORTING AT LEAST THE
CHINESE MARKET I THINK THAT'S
GOING TO BE A MUCH CARTER
EFFORT GOING INTO THE UNITED
INTEL OBVIOUSLY BASICALLY GAVE
UP ON MAKING MOBILE CHIPS AND
THEY SAW THEIR MOBILE CHIP
BUSINESS TO APPLE. SO WE'LL SEE
WHERE THAT
SHOE DROPS TO WEAR POTENTIALLY
APPLE MADE IN THE MAKING HER
OWN A MOBILE CHIPS WITH THE
PROCESS OR
AS WELL.
>> AND RUSSELL I WANT TO ALSO
HAVE YOU WEIGH IN ON THIS
BECAUSE WHILE A HAS ALWAYS BEEN
AND A SUPPLIER TO A LOT OF
THESE IN THE RURAL AREAS AND IN
THE TRADE WAR,
THEY HAVE ARE YOU THAT BY
CUTTING THEM OFF FROM BUSINESS
OF THIS, BUT ALSO MANY
CRIPPLE THAT WE TALKED A LITTLE
BIT AFTER THE BILL IS A DIVIDE
IN HOW DIFFICULT
IT IS TO GET CONNECTIVITY OUT
INTO THESE AREAS ANYWAY IS THE
ABSENCE OF A THEN GOING TO BE
FURTHERING THAT DIGITAL DIVIDE
DO YOU THINK.
>> NO I YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY
WHEN IT COMES TO THE US THERE
ARE OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE
MORE THAN WILLING TO KIND OF
JUMP INTO THAT SPACE AND KNOW
THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPETE
WITH WHILE WAY WHICH IS GREAT
NEWS
FOR THEM BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS
IS OFTEN VERY GOOD UNDER
CUTTING US COMPANIES ON PRICE
WHEN IT COMES TO
THE INFRASTRUCTURE ARE YOU KNOW
ROLE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S
GOING TO SLOW THINGS DOWN A IN
PARTICULAR IN RURAL AREAS.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN
MIND THAT YOU KNOW QUALCOMM IS
THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARY OF WALL
AND NOT BEING HERE IN THE
US BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN
IPHONE YOU HAVE A PHONE CALL
CAN SHIP IT YOU HAVE A LAPTOP.
ANOTHER CALL COMES UP AND YOU
MIGHT WIN YOUR IT'S SOMETHING
THAT AS A
CELLULAR CONNECTION SO BEING
ABLE TO BE WHEN IT COMES TO 5 G
IN THE US IS GOING TO BE A
TREMENDOUS POWER POSITION
THAT COMPANY.
>> SO QUALCOMM, MAYBE RIGHT NOW
THE NAME ON IT COMES TO 5 G
TECHNOLOGY HERE IN THE US, BUT
RUSSELL WHAT OTHER COMPANIES
ARE SET TO A SEA OF BEEN FROM
THE START.
>> YES, I MEAN THERE'S THERE'S
A TON OF OTHER COMPANIES THAT
WORK IN THIS SPACE, YOU
KNOW NOKIA AS A AS YOU KNOW A
LONG HISTORY IN THIS AREA AND
THERE ARE THERE ARE SEVERAL
OTHERS THAT ARE WE'RE KEEPING
AN EYE ON THESE ARE THE
COMPANIES THAT YOU DON'T HEAR A
TON ABOUT FROM THE CONSUMER AND
BECAUSE
THEIR BUILDING. THE YOU KNOW
THE THE RADIOS THAT ARE BEING
INSTALLED IN THESE PLACES
THOSE BIG A BUILDING
ATTACHMENTS THAT ARE THAT ARE
CAUSING A YOU KNOW NIGHTMARES
FOR PEOPLE OF EITHER BEING
BUILT BY A BY YOU KNOW DOZENS
OF OTHER COMPANIES AND IT'S
IT'S GOING TO BE A PRICE WAR AT
THIS POINT.
>> RIGHT THE SPECIAL WE'RE
CALLING IT TODAY, THE ROAD TO
5 THE ROAD SEEMS LONG TO GET
THERE BECAUSE IT'S ESTIMATED
THAT ONLY ONE IN 7 MOBILE
CONNECTIONS WILL BE 5 G BY
2025 COMPARE THAT TO THE PACE
OF THE ADOPTION OF A 4 G
RUSSELL AND I
MEAN EVEN UNITY WITH 3 G
BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY HAS
INNOVATION IS. MORE
FREQUENTLY NOW THAT TIMELINE
SHOULD BE MORE COMPRESSED WHY'S
THAT 5 G IS GOING TO TAKE STILL
LONGER PERIOD OF TIME
TO THINK.
>> SO THERE'S THERE'S 3 REALLY
IMPORTANT THINGS TO KEEP IN
MIND HERE THE FIRST IS THAT A 5
G EXIST ACROSS A MUCH FREQUENCY
SPECTRUM IN CITY THE WHOLE
MILLIMETER
WAVE THING YOU KNOW THERE
THAT'S THE REASON THAT IN A
MORE DENSELY POPULATED CITIES
ARE ABLE TO INSTALL MORE
HARDWARE THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW
THINGS TO GO FASTER
FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT DECADE TO
YOUR YOUR 5 G CONNECTION WILL
ALWAYS BE FASTER IN PLACES LIKE
NEW YORK IN DC AND CHICAGO THAN
IT WOULD BE IN YOU KNOW HOW
MANY
RURAL AREA AND JUST BECAUSE
THAT'S HOW THE NETWORK SPECK IT
YOU KNOW JUST IS RIGHT NOW.
AND SO IT BE THAT THERE'S THIS
THIS
KIND OF COMBINATION YOU HAVE
YOU KNOW THAT THE MUCH FASTER
SPEEDS IN THAT THE CITY AREAS
AND YOU YOU HAVE DIFFERENT
HARDWARE BEING INSTALLED IN
DIFFERENT PLACES AND THEN THE
OTHER THING IS IS YOU KNOW.
PHONE ADOPTION, YOUR AS THEY
ADDRESSED THESE
KIND OF HARDWARE PROBLEMS WITH
MOBILE DEVICES. YOU KNOW THAT
ALL THAT WILL KIND OF A
SPEEDING UP A
LITTLE BIT.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK BEN WHAT
YOU THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR
FOR MASS ADOPTION OF 5 G I
THINK DEVICE MAKERS REALLY HAVE
TO START PUSHING THIS MARKET
AND REALLY TRY TO EXPLAIN TO
CUSTOMERS, ESPECIALLY WHAT THE
VALUE ADDED IT'S SO INTERESTING
TO LOOK AT CHICKEN AND EGG
THING BECAUSE IT IS THAT WITH
THE DEVICE THAT THE DEVICES ARE
5 G THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD.
BUT THERE'S NO NETWORK
INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT THAT
THAT IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
IF YOU OR I MIGHT BE FUN AND IT
GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE
SAYING BEFORE WHAT EXACTLY THE
CONSUMER
BENEFIT HERE. SO IF I CAN
DOWNLOAD PUB,
SHE WORE. YOU KNOW DIFFERENT
DIFFERENT MOVIES FROM NETFLIX
TWICE AS FAST AS I USED TO IS
THAT REALLY GOING TO ACCELERATE
ADOPTION OF NEW
I REALLY GOING TO LIKE RUN OUT
IN A STAMPEDE TO GET A NEW
PHONE RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S
REALLY A HARD
SELL SO. IT'S UP TO THE KERRY
US TO REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT
IT'S UP TO THE DEVICE MAKERS TO
REALLY TRY TO
FIGURE OUT HOW ARE GOING TO
SELL THIS TO CONSUMERS BECAUSE
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT AH
BUSINESSES ARE PROBABLY GOING
TO TRY TO ADOPT THIS FOR A
VARIETY OF REASONS A LITTLE
FASTER. I GO AHEAD. WHAT'S
THE HOME I SAY GO AHEAD BUT
THEN I THINK THE QUESTION A LOT
ON I JUST WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE
IDEA OF THIS COMPETING WITH MO
WITHOUT BROADBAND INTERNET.
ONE THING FOR CERTAIN HERE IN
THE US IS WE DON'T ACTUALLY
HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE.
ACTUALLY IF YOU HAVE A CHOICE
OF SEVERAL YOU'RE YOU'RE REALLY
A OF A LUCKY FEW.
AT WHAT POINT WILL 5 G
TECHNOLOGY FROM A WIRELESS
COMPANY, THE.
>> A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE TO
A HARD LINE CABLE OR FIBER
CONNECTION TO YOUR HOME.
>> A COUPLE YEARS OR AT THE
VERY LEAST ARE PROBABLY GOING
TO GET A BETTER BY THE END OF
NEXT YEAR. I WOULD IMAGINE, BUT
THAT IS A HUGE POTENTIAL FOR
CONSUMERS THERE'S A LOT OF 5
CABLE PROVIDERS HAVE OPERATED
VIRTUAL REGIONAL MONOPOLIES I
MEAN I'M LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE 2
PROVIDERS ONE OF THEM IS FOR A
RISE IN
FIRES BITE AT THE SAME TIME YOU
HAVE THE POTENTIAL
OF HAVING 46 PROVIDERS
AVAILABLE FOR HOME BROADBAND
WHEREAS IT USED TO BE MAYBE ONE
OR MAYBE 2 SO HOW IS THAT
ACTUALLY GOING TO IMPACT
CUSTOMERS HOW IS THAT GOING TO
CHANGE PRICES,
IT'S IT'S SOUNDS REALLY GOOD.
BUT A LOT OF THINGS WITH 5 G
SOUND REALLY GOOD RIGHT NOW WE
REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN THAT HAPPEN
QUITE YET SO I WOULD SAY LET'S
LET'S HOLD OFF ON TOO MUCH OF
THE HYPE AND SEE WHERE THIS
GOES.
>> ALL LAST.
COMMENTS AND RUSSELL
START WITH YOU IS 5 G SOMETHING
WE SHOULD WANT.
>> YEAH I THINK LONG TERM OF
IDEA SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD
ASPIRE TO EVEN IF IT COMES TO
YOU KNOW THINGS ARE KIND OF
HARD TO EXPLAIN
TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU KNOW KIND OF
A YOU KNOW MESH NETWORK BY
AUTHENTICATION BEING ABLE TO
AUTHENTICATE MYSELF ON MY PHONE
AND BECAUSE OF A 5 G NETWORK
ALL OF THE DEVICES IN THE AREA
KNOW THAT
IT'S ME YOU KNOW BEING ABLE TO
JUST HAVE THAT CONNECTION EXIST
BECAUSE IT'S A MESH NETWORKING
BECAUSE THAT OFTEN OCCASION CAN
HAPPEN IN
REAL TIME THAT'S A DIFFICULT
THING TO LOOK AT SOMEONE TO BE
LIKE HEY BE EXCITED ABOUT THIS
BECAUSE ITS ENCRYPTION
AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT
TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT SECURITY
IS COMPLICATED TO BEGIN WITH
THE DATA I THINK IS A REALLY
POWERFUL WAY TO TO MAKE THIS
USEFUL TO A LOT.
>> YES, CNN HAS BASICALLY TAKEN
THE POSITION IF YOU'RE PROBABLY
GOING TO WANT TO SECOND
GENERATION
5 G PHONE THE HOLD OFF AND
DON'T REALLY BUY WHAT'S
CURRENTLY OUT THERE IN THE AT
THIS POINT I DO BELIEVE THAT
CONSUMERS ARE GOING TO GET
EXCITED ABOUT THIS FIGHT IT IS
GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF
TIME FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY
RECOGNIZE WHAT THE VALUE IS.
>> GUYS RUSSELL HOLLY MANAGING
EDITOR OF MOBILE NATIONS AND
BENCHMARK AND SENIOR REPORTER
AT THE SCENE AT THIS WAS SUPER
FUN. THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND
FOR EXTRA SPECIAL EDITION OF
CUSTOMERS.
WELL COMING UP GUYS, SAN JOSE
IS LOOKING TO BE THE MODEL CITY
FOR 5 G DEPLOYMENT IN THE
UNITED STATES WE'RE TALKING
IT'S CHEAP INNOVATION OFFICER
ABOUT THE PLAN RIGHT AFTER
♪
>> WELCOME BACK TO THIS SPECIAL
EDITION OF CHEDDAR MOVERS, THE
ROAD TO 5 G SAN JOSE CALIFORNIA
PLANS TO BE THE HOME TO THE
LARGEST DEPLOYMENT OF 5 G SMALL
CELLS IN THE
ENTIRE COUNTRY FOR MORE ON HOW
THE SELF-PROCLAIMED CAPITAL OF
SILICON VALLEY PLANS TO US IN
THE NEXT ERA OF
WIRELESS COVERAGE. WE'RE NOW
JOINED BY SHIREEN SOME POTION
CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER FOR
SAN JOSE SHRINK SO GREAT TO
HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW. HOW IS
SAN
♪
JOSE ENSURING A FAST AND
UNOBTRUSIVE DEPLOYMENT OF 5 G
SMALL CELLS.
>> THAT WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH
ALL THE MAJOR CARRIERS
AND WILL THE WHAT WE BELIEVE TO
BE THE LARGEST SMALL SOLD THE
COUNTRY SO WE SHOULD HAVE OVER
4,000 SMALL CELLS ACROSS
THE CITY. WE EXPECT TO HAVE 5 G
EARLY NEXT YEAR TO 18 T AND
WE'RE DOING IT AT A VERY RAPID
PACE THAT
WE'RE DEPLOYING TWICE AS FAST
AS WHAT THE FCC RECOMMENDS AND
SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS
AS WELL
AS USE THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE
GOTTEN FROM THESE TO ALSO
CREATE THE COUNTRY'S LARGEST
DIGITAL INCLUSION FUNDS TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE BRIDGING THE
DIGITAL DIVIDE. AND MOST
VULNERABLE RESIDENTS.
>> RIGHT AND A GUEST TO THE
QUESTION OF THE UNOBTRUSIVE
MISSING THE MEASURE IF YOU
TUNED IN
EARLIER, BUT. HAVE VERY CLOSE
CONTACT WITH SOME OF THESE AND
I WILL SAY A FAIR BIT OF TRUST
THE INTERESTING QUESTION.
>> WELL IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER
YOU ARE A US CITY HAVE YOU
BELIEVE IT CAN THE DESIGN OF
GOT TO POINT
IT SO WHAT WE ACTUALLY DOES IS
WORK UP FRONT WITH THE CARRIERS
TO REACT
AND STANDARDS SO THE
EQUIPMENT IS NOT SHE SAID IN
OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY LOOK
BASICALLY LIKE A CYLINDER CAP
ON TOP OF A
LIGHT ON. BUT IN IN COMMUNITIES
WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT
DECISION MADE YOU KNOW THAT CAN
BE A REAL AND WE'VE WE SEE THAT
HAPPENING NOW AREAS BUT IN SAN
JOSE WE ANTICIPATED THAT ISSUE
BUT WITH THE CARRIERS AND
AGREED ON
THAT FRONT.
>> SAN JOSE IS A VERY SPECIAL
PLACE I MEAN COMPARED TO MAYBE
ANY OTHER IN THE GIVEN THE
PROMINENCE OF APPLE
HAS THERE. IN THAT REGION, YOU
KNOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE SAN
JOSE MINE NOT BE THE BEST
EXAMPLE OF A TYPICAL CITY OR
TOWN AND THE REST OF THE WORLD
THAT WAS
SEE GIVEN THAT THE POPULATION
THERE ALREADY PRIMED A BIT TO
NEW TECHNOLOGY.
>> WELL CERTAINLY AND WE ARE WE
ARE AT OUR CITY AND SO CUNNING
ALI AND WE
HAVE A CULTURE AND
INNOVATION BUT OUR ROLE IN THE
CITY OF SAN JOSE'S TO MAKE SURE
THAT. ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY WHICH
HEELS ARE ECONOMY ALSO BENEFITS
OUR RESIDENTS AND MAKING SURE
THAT WE HAVE A BALANCED
APPROACH
TO DETECT A G IS ESSENTIAL AND
SO AH YES WE WE DO
YOU HAVE. EMBRACED TECHNOLOGY,
BUT WE NEED TO BRING EVERYONE
ALONG IN THE PROCESS AND
I DON'T WE'VE GOT WE'RE
EXCEPTIONAL IN THE CASE.
HOW WE'RE DOING OUR DEW POINT
AND IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
IT'S
REALLY ABOUT MAKING SURE WE ARE
STREAMLINING THE PERMITTING
PROCESS MEANING AS
THE BUSINESS AND THOSE PIECES
CAN BE REALLY REPLICATED BY ANY
COMMUNITY AND COUNTRY.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR
APPROACH HERE THAT THE CITY IS
CHARGING
THESE MAJOR TELECOM COMPANIES,
A MINIMUM OF $750 TO PUT A
SMALL SO ON AN EXISTING
STRUCTURE WHERE YOU HAVE OTHER
CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY
CHARGING A LOT LESS A TOPLESS
FOR EXAMPLE IS CHARGED AS LOW
AS $50 A
LEADING TO THOUSANDS OF SMALL
CELLS IN
THAT CITY. WHAT IS THE BALANCE
BETWEEN MAKING SURE THAT
TELECOM COMPANIES
ARE PAYING. WHAT THEY'RE WHAT
YOU THINK THEY SHOULD PAY BUT
AT THE SAME TIME. ATTRACTING
THEM IN A WAY THAT WILL MAKE IT
WORTH THEIR WHILE TO ACTUALLY
INSTALL THIS HOUR.
>> WELL I THINK GREG IS A IN
THE MORNING HERE. I MEAN
WE HAVE A GOAL OF OVER 4,000
ALSO AS WE HAVE 680 IT ALREADY
IS AS I MENTIONED WE'RE MEETING
TWICE AS FAST. WHAT IS
RECOMMENDED AND THE REASON ALL
OF THAT IS POSSIBLE IS BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THESE
A 5 G NETWORK IS A MASSIVE
CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND SO
THAT MEANS AND YOU NEED
RESOURCES. YOU NEED PEOPLE TO
INSPECT THE SAFETY OF THE
EQUIPMENT. YOU NEED TO REACH
FOR YOUR EATING SYSTEM IN ORDER
TO MAKE SURE THAT
YOU CAN WORK WITH THESE
CARRIERS TO GET THIS OUT
QUICKLY AND
I JUST SAY THAT YOU KNOW WE
CLEARLY HAVE PRODUCTIVELY
WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE
COMPANIES TO GET THESE NETWORKS
OUT FASTER THAN OTHER
COMMUNITIES. AND AND WHEN YOU
ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU
ARE ONLY CHARGING VERY LOW
RATES AND I WOULD SAY THAT
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL
THE RESOURCES TO MAKE IT
HAPPENED IN A WAY TO STAY FOR
THE PUBLIC. AND ALSO BENEFITS
THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE SHARING.
>> AT THE TIME, BUT LET ME BACK
ON SOON TO TALK ABOUT THE
DIGITAL DIVIDE A GIVEN THAT IT
LOOKS LIKE ABOUT A
100,000 PEOPLE IN YOUR
COMMUNITY WITHOUT ACCESS TO
BROADBAND SO PLEASE COME BACK
ON THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
TIME
TODAY SHOOTING, SANTO SAM IS
CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER FOR
SAN JOSE, THANKS AGAIN, THANKS
>> ALL RIGHTY COMING UP HERE ON
THE ROAD TO 5 G WILL CITIES
LIKE SAN JOSE ARE BEEFING UP
THEIR ACT.
5 G INFRASTRUCTURE. WELL AREAS
ARE STRUGGLING TO CLOSE THE
DIGITAL DIVIDE WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT MORE ON THIS WITH THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NEXT
CENTURY CITIES NEXT.
♪
>> WELCOME BACK.
>> EVERYBODY TO THIS VERY
SPECIAL EDITION OF CHEDDAR
MOVERS, THE ROAD TO
5 G ALL. THEY WE'VE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT THIS AND LAST
WEEK I SPOKE WITH THE NEXT
CENTURY CITIES TO LEARN ABOUT
THE DIGITAL DO BY THE ROLLOUT
OF 5 G TECHNOLOGIES CREATES
TAKE A LOOK.
>> THAT IS AROUND THE US
EXPANDING INTO 5 G BUT OTHERS
REMAIN SKEPTICAL OF THE
TECHNOLOGY NEXT CENTURY CITIES
HELPS
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
COMMUNITIES DURING A TRANSITION
PROCESS FOR MORE ON THIS WE'RE
JOINED BY FRANCE. WELL A CHILL
OWN ECCENTRICITIES EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH
US FRIENDS TELL OUT DO YOU
THINK IT IS FOR US CITIES TO
START IN COURT RATING 5 G INTO
THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> WELL
JUST TO CLARIFY ON 5 G ISN'T
NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT
EVERY CITY IS GOING TO HAVE
ACCESS TO AND WHAT IT IS AND
IT'S TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY
THAT MAY BE FOR
URBAN CITIES. THAT ARE ALREADY
CONNECTED THEY ARE GOING TO
HAVE PASSED OR CONNECTIVITY AND
MOST TOP MOST LIKELY THERE'S
ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ENTERPRISE
APPLICATIONS FOR DATA FOR
CONSUMERS ARE ABLE TO ACCESS IT
MAYBE ON THEIR PHONES ARE IN
THEIR HOMES. BUT FOR OTHER
CITIES ON JUST TO BE CLEAR AND
ECCENTRICITIES REPRESENTS.
DEMOCRATICALLY ALSO GEOGRAPHIC
I
STRETCH OF COMMUNITIES ALL THE
WAY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES
FROM ANGEL WHY AND WE A LOT OF
CITIES THAT STILL DON'T EVEN
HAVE 3 OR 4 G CONNECTIVITY SO
JUST TO BE CLEAR THIS ISN'T
SOMETHING THAT EVERY CITY IS
GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO AND
EVEN WHEN THEY DO THEY'RE
ALIVE.
CONSIDERATIONS THAT CITIES HAVE
TO PLAY FOR IT GRATION OR EVEN
HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TOO
ABSOLUTELY THERE ARE A LOT OF
CONSIDERATIONS
ARE ABSENT.
>> BUT THAT YOU CLARIFIED
BECAUSE THEY THINK THE
NARRATIVE HAS BEEN THAT 5 G
WILL BE THE NEXT GENERATION FOR
EVERYONE HAS 3 GS 4 G HAS BEEN
SO TO
THAT EXTENT WHY DO
SOME CITIES WANT THIS TO BE
MORE THAN OTHERS AND THEN ALSO
WHAT MAKES THE CITY MORE
ELIGIBLE TO HAVE 5 G THEN SOME
OTHER ONE.
>> 12 CANCER SECOND QUESTION
FIRST I THINK WOW WHY CITY
MIGHT JUST BE MORE ATTRACTIVE
TO INVESTORS AND SO THAT'S
GOING TO BE BUYERS ARE GOING TO
GO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SEE
THEIR RETURN ON
THEIR INVESTMENT AND SO WHERE
IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO
INVEST IN THOSE CITIES. THAT'S
PROBABLY HOW THEY'RE GOING TO
BE IN THE TOP OF
THE LIST, I'M SURE ALMOST EVERY
SINGLE CITY IN THIS COUNTRY
WANTS ACCESS TO
FASTER CONNECTIVITY REALITY IS
HOWEVER IS THAT WE SHOT A LOT
OF WHETHER IT'S UNDERSERVED
URBAN AREAS OR WORLD
COMMUNITIES THAT SIMPLY DO NOT
HAVE TO WIRELINE OR FIRE FIGHT
SHE CAN THERE ARE LOTS OF
DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THE VAST
MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY IS
STILL STRUGGLING WITH MAKING
SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A
CERTAIN UNIVERSAL CONNECTIVITY
IN THEIR COMMUNITIES OF COURSE
AND WE KNOW THAT SO HIM.
>> NOW AS ALL OF US NEED TO BE
ONLINE AND WE'RE
STILL GOING TALKING ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT THIS SHOULD BE A
PUBLIC UTILITY CATEGORIZED AS
SUCH BUT AS SOME OF THESE
CITIES ARE NOW GETTING
5 G THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS
HEALTH RELATED CONCERNS
ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY ITSELF
ONE PARTICULAR TOWN IN NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA MILL VALLEY BLOCK
THE 5 G TOWERS
FROM GOING UP IN RESIDENTIAL
AREAS BECAUSE THEY ARE
CONCERNED THAT THESE TOWERS
COULD TOWERS COULD CAUSE CANCER
AND ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE
WORLD HEALTH THIS TYPE OF RADIO
FREQUENCY COULD HAVE AN EFFECT
THAT COULD BE POSSIBLY AT THE
SAME LEVEL AS AT COFFEE OR
EVEN PICKLES SO WOULD LOVE FOR
YOU TO BREAK DOWN EXACTLY WHERE
THESE HEALTH CONCERNS ARE
COMING FROM IT FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE YOU FEEL LIKE
THEY'RE WARRANTED. GIVEN THAT
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
EVEN WEIGHING IN ON THIS
ALREADY.
>> I THINK THAT I'M REALLY GLAD
THAT PEOPLE RAISING THOSE
CONCERNS, HOWEVER WE DON'T HAVE
ANY REASON
TO BELIEVE PRATT BY G
CONNECTIVITY WOULD BE ANY MORE
DANGEROUS
THAN PREVIOUS. I NETWORKS AND I
THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
US TO ACTUALLY STUDY THE ACTUAL
NOW WORKS AND HE ACTUALLY ASKED
FOR RESEARCH THAT SHOULDN'T
MATTER IS RIGHT NOW A LOT OF
CITIES TO
NOT HAVE ACCESS FIRE WIRELINE
SAYS
NETWORKS THAT ARE GOING TO YOU
KNOW WHETHER IT'S LIKE A 4 AND
HERE I G A LOT OF JUST THAT
ACCESS. SO I THINK IT'S A
LITTLE BIT PREMATURE FOR US TO
I MAKE ANY SORT OF CONCLUSIONS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S IN
AND FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS AND
GET THE ACTUAL EXPERTS TO DO
SOME RESEARCH.
>> I GO BACK TO SOMETHING YOU
TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHICH IS
THAT INVESTORS ARE LOOKING AT
AREAS FOR AN
ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, MAKING
SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE
MOST RETURN ON THEIR
INVESTMENTS FROM THAT
PERSPECTIVE THEN REALLY WHAT IS
THE CONSUMER BENEFIT IF THE
PRIUS THE FIRST IS TO SATISFY
THESE INVESTORS.
>> WELL I THINK IN GENERAL AND
ANY WE LIVE IN THE UNITED
STATES OR. WERE THERE TO YOUR
DOLLAR RULE SENATE THING IS
THERE ANY KIND SOME COMPANIES
GOING
GOING TO THE AREA WHERE THEY
THINK THEY'RE GOING TO RECOUP
THEIR INVESTMENT AND BE ABLE TO
INCREASE THEIR PROFIT MARGINS
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE
SHAREHOLDERS. SO I THINK THAT
GOT MANY DIFFERENT AND WHAT
WE ARE THEY'RE USED TO IN ANY
OTHER INDUSTRY BUT I THINK
THAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT IT IS
THAT WE ARE SINKING ABOUT
BROADBAND IS
IN FOR STRUCTURE AND WE HAVE TO
BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY FACT THAT
JUST THE WAS THERE IT IS
NOT NECESSARILY PROFIT MARGINS
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT I
RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND I
THINK IT WE THINK ABOUT IT
LIKE THAT OR EVEN IF YOU BREAK
EVEN IN SOME COMMUNITIES, IT
WAS A GOOD INVESTMENT.
WE START TO CHANGE THAT
DIALOGUE. I THINK THAT WE'LL
SEE MORE EQUITABLE TO CLEAN IT.
>> AND DO YOU THINK THAT THE
BENEFIT OF OF HAVING
5 G WE'LL REALLY BE OUTWEIGH
THE COST OF THE DEPLOYMENT AS
WELL, I MEAN THERE HAVE BEEN
VERY LIMITED STUDIES OF COURSE
BECAUSE THIS IS STILL ROLLING
OUT, BUT THIS 5 G SPECTRUM
TECHNOLOGY ENABLES VERY FAST
BEING BUT AT VERY SHORT
DISTANCES. SO THE NUMBER OF
THESE TOWERS THAT HAVE TO GO UP
TO ENABLE THIS TO WORK
EFFICIENTLY AT A SCALE THAT
MIGHT BE A BENEFIT TO A BROAD
ENOUGH
A POPULATION REALLY SEEMS TO BE
QUITE EXPENSIVE POTENTIALLY A
QUITE TIME CONSUMING ABOUT THE
SAME TIME, YOU
KNOW IF YOU NEED SO MANY OF
THESE IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK
IN THE YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOW
PUTTING THIS IN IN VERY NOW
DENSELY POPULATED AREAS WE'RE
GOING TO SEE MANY MORE OF THESE
TOWERS AND WE DO SEE THEM
TODAY.
>> THAT'S TRUE AND THE TRUTH OF
THE MATTER IS WE'RE GOING TO
WIRE ON THE NUMBER CITIES AND
SMALL CITIES OR I G
CONNECTIVITY THAT UNDER HIGHER
MILLIONS OF MILES OF A FIRE
WIRE
WIRE LINE IF YOU INTO THE
GROUND IT'S GOOD OR CITIES
ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO MAKE
ACCOMMODATIONS FOR SMALL CELLS
TO D
IN ALL SORTS OF PLACES ALL
SENSE OF HER STOPS IN PLACES
THAT MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY SEE ANY
STARTED 10 IS NOW RUNNING
WIRING SO THERE'S GOING TO BE
SOME SORT OF ADJUSTMENT AND
CITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
PREPARE NOT ONLY FOR THE COMING
BUT ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT
WHERE DID THE SMALL SO SO THERE
ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS WERE
CITIES CAN
ACTUALLY WORKED AND WITH WIRES.
I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT IT IS
A
GOOD INVESTMENT. IT YOU KNOW
IT'S ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE
QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS
BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE THAT
THEY'RE GOING
TO BE LOTS OF GREAT BENEFITS
FOR BY G D DOES REACH ITS FULL
BLOOM. WE KNOW THAT IT CAN DO
THINGS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE
TALK A LOT ABOUT TIME
THIS VEHICLE IS OR MAYBE TELL
HEALTH INITIATIVES THAT THERE
ARE LOTS OF OTHER WAYS NEWS WHY
IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL WHETHER IT
MEANS THAT YEAH I WE START
CREATING NEW WAYS FOR YOU TO
HAVE VERY ODD A QUICK
CONNECTIVITY WITH PEOPLE IN
YOUR SEAT OR WE'RE POTHOLES ARE
SAFE ON THAT WE HAVE
LEARNED THAT SHES WERE DISABLED
OR THERE LOTS OF WAYS THAT WE
CAN PUT THIS INTO ACTION STAYS
SO I THINK THAT THERE IS A
PUBLIC GOOD E I THINK WE JUST
HAVE TO ON BE REALLY CAREFUL
ABOUT PUTTING CERTAIN PEOPLE
WHO ARE CONNECTED AND IN TOUCH
WHERE THEY HAVE SUPER
CONNECTIVITY WHEN WE HAVE A LOT
OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BARELY
KEEPING UP WITH THE ASSAY
SEASONAL STANDARDS.
>> THE REALLY IMPORTANT
CONVERSATION THERE WITH FRIENDS
FELLOW CELLO THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR AT NEXT CENTURY CITIES
THAT JOE DIVIDE COULD IT GET
WORSE IF WE ARE NOT.
>> WELL WE WANT TO GET YOUR
THOUGHTS ON 5 G SO TAKE OUR
BRAND-NEW TWITTER PAUL WHAT
FUTURE OF
5 G TECHNOLOGY. WOULD YOU PAY
MORE FOR WILL BE FASTER
INTERNET STRONG INTERNET IN
CROWDS BETTER STREAMING
QUALITY.
THAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW AT
OUR TWITTER ACCOUNT AT CHEDDAR
AWAY A VOTING FOR I VOTED
ALREADY YOU DID THAT.
>> THE STRONGER IN ACCO SWEET
YOU A LOOK AT THAT THING OKAY
THERE IT IS WE WANT RESULTS IN
CLOSING BELL. BUT AS USUAL
TONIGHT HERE ON THE SAME PAGE
WHEN IT COMES TO IRAN.
>> WELL GUYS IT'S TIME TO SAY
GOODBYE BUT DON'T GO ANYWHERE
BECAUSE BETWEEN 1000 STARTING
IN JUST A MINUTE QUESTION AND