>> AND BETWEEN BOUNCE BACK ON
CHEDDAR NEWS, EVERYONE STOCKER
WHERE APPS ARE ON THE RISE IS
THAT THESE APPS ARE DESCRIBED
AS A TOOL TO HELP MONITOR THE
ONLINE ACTIVITIES OF
FAMILY MEMBERS BY LOGGING WHAT
THEY TYPE, BUT THE ICON THAT
SITS ON YOUR PHONE'S HOME
SCREEN IS ACTUALLY TO SKIES IS
AN EVERYDAY TOOL LIKE YOUR
CALENDAR OR EVEN YOUR
CALCULATOR APP IT'S OFTEN
SOMETHING UNSUSPECTING PARENTS
USE THE APP APPS TO MONITOR
THEIR CHILDREN'S ONLINE
PRESENCE AND ALSO PROTECT THEM
FROM PREDATORS BUT IN THE HANDS
OF SOME THESE APPS BECOME A
VERY DANGEROUS TOOL FOR DIGITAL
DOMESTIC ABUSE. JOINING US NOW
TO DISCUSS THIS MORE IS BRIAN X
CHAN LEE CONSUMER TECHNOLOGY
REPORTER OVER AT THE NEW YORK
TIMES BRIAN SUCH A PLEASURE TO
HAVE YOU HERE, THANKS SO MUCH
FOR JOINING US THIS SORT OF
APPS OF REALLY KIND OF GROWN IN
THE THOUSANDS IN THE LAST FEW
YEARS, APPLE AND GOOGLE
INTERESTING WE NOT ONLY JUST
RECENTLY BEGUN TO ACKNOWLEDGE
ALL OF THIS. BUT LET'S GO
TO STRIP IS BACK FOR VIEWERS
WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR TO US HELP
US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STOCK OR
WHERE APPS ARE.
>> AND A VERY HIGH
LEVEL A STOCK OR WHERE IS
SURVEILLANCE SOFTWARE INSTALLED
ON SOMEONE'S PHONE IT
COULD BE LOGGING THE KEYSTROKES
IT COULD BE RECORDING THEIR
SONG CALLS IT COULD BE
UPLOADING THEIR PHOTOS TO
A SERVER. OFTEN TIMES THE STOCK
OR WILL HAVE JUST
LACKS S 2 VICTIMS DEVICE LIKE
YOU KNOW A PERSON SORRY
AND ABUSE IN A ROMANTIC
RELATIONSHIP TO TAKE THEIR
PARTNER'S INSTALL THIS ACT
DISGUISED AS SOMETHING LIKE
THAT CALCULATOR
A CALENDAR IN THE HOPE THAT THE
VICTIM DOESN'T NOTICE IT.
AND LATER ON THIS STOCK OR
COULD RETRIEVE THE RECORDINGS
FROM SAY A WEBSITE WHERE IT WAS
TO WHERE THE RECORDINGS HAVE
BEEN APPLAUDED OR HE OR SHE
COULD GET THEM UP LOADED TO HIM
OR HERSELF. STOCKER COULD ALSO
JUST SIMPLY UNLOCKS THE
VICTIM'S PHONE IF THEY HAVE
THEIR PASSCODE AND RETRIEVE THE
DATA SO THAT THAT THAT'S
BASICALLY HOW MOST OF THEM.
>> WORSE, YEAH, PRETTY CREEPY
HERE BRIAN AND IT'S INTERESTING
AS WE'RE SEEING REALLY ON THE
RISE HERE JUST BETWEEN THE
MONTHS OF SEPTEMBER TO MAY
ACCORDING TO
NORTON LIFELOCK WE SAW THE
NUMBER OF DEVICES INFECTED WITH
THE STOCK OR
WHERE APPS JUMPED 63% WHY ARE
WE SEEING SUCH A HUGE RISE IN
THIS
RIGHT NOW.
>> SECURITY RESEARCHERS SUSPECT
THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH
THE
>> PEOPLE BEING HOME A LOT
>> HAVING RISING TENSIONS AND
THEIR RELATIONSHIPS BECOMING
MORE BECOMING WERE CURIOUS
ABOUT WHAT THEIR PARTNERS ARE
DOING SO YOU KNOW US LITTLE TO
PEOPLE ARE JUST GETTING.
WE'RE KNOW Z WITH EACH OTHER
THAT'S THAT'S A SYRIA THAT
PEOPLE ARE THROWING OUT THERE.
BUT IN GENERAL THE IT'S ALSO
TIED TO AN INCREASED TOO
IN THE NUMBER OF STOCK OR HAVE
BEEN EMERGING AND APP USED TO
BE THAT STOCK OR WHERE IS
SOMEWHERE IN THE HUNDREDS AND
NOW THEY'RE IN THE THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE HAVE LOST COUNT THEIR
THEIR GROWING LIKE CRAZY SO
BOOST TO BOTH OF THOSE TRENDS
ARE EMERGING.
>> YES, THE OTHER THING THAT'S
INTERESTING HERE AGAIN I JUST
FOUND THIS OUT TODAY SO THE FCC
AND THE FTC EXCUSE ME JUST
RECENTLY
A BALL IN NAPA RECENT STOCK OR
APP FROM BEING APPROVED
RECENTLY AND THIS WAS THE FIRST
TIME THE FTC IS ACTUALLY DONE
THIS WHICH I THOUGHT WAS
REALLY INTERESTING BUT I GUESS
THE LARGER QUESTION IS HOW DOES
THE FTC THEY KNOW WHAT THE
DIFFERENCE IS OF THE APP IF
IT'S FOR PARENTS HELPING AND
MONITOR THEIR CHILDREN'S
ACTIVITIES AS OPPOSED TO
SPYWARE STOCK OR APPS HOW THEY
SORT OF KNOW
WITH THAT.
>> YES SO THIS IS WHY STOCK OR
WHERE SUCH AS THORNY ISSUE THAT
KIND OF EXIST IN THIS
GRAY AREA. LIKE YOU SAID SO FOR
PARENTS FOR THE LONGEST TIME IT
HAD PARENTAL CONTROL SOFTWARE
TO MONITOR THEIR CHILDREN
SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING ONLINE
TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT
ATTRACTING PREDATORS TO KIND OF
SO THAT'S LIKE BEEN A
LEGITIMATE USE CASE OF
SURVEILLANCE SOFTWARE THAT'S
WHY IT'S LEGALLY ALLOWED IN
APP STORES AND IT HAS BEEN FOR
DECADES, NOT JUST FOR AT NOT
JUST FOR PHONES, BUT ALSO FOR
COMPUTERS, IT CROSSES THE LINE
INTO STOCK WHERE WHEN THESE ARE
APPS ARE NOT REALLY DESIGNED
FOR PARENTS TO LOOK AT WHAT
THEIR KIDS ARE
DOING ONLINE. THEY EXPLICITLY
MARKET THEM
AS TOOLS THE SPY ON POTENTIALLY
CHEATING SPOUSE FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THERE ARE APPS THAT ARE
INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERSON'S
CONSENT I WOULD UNDERLINE THAT
PART WHEN IT'S UNDER WHEN IT'S
INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERSON'S
CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE. THAT'S
WHEN IT CROSSES OVER
INTO IT. VIOLATING WIRETAPPING
LAWSUIT BECOMES A LEGAL AND
THERE FOR PEOPLE TO FIND A
STOCK OR WHERE
SO IT'S THERE'S A THIN LINE
BETWEEN THE 2, BUT AS YOU CAN
SEE THERE'S ONE THAT'S LEGAL
ONE THAT'S NOT.
>> THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING
BRIGHT IN THE OTHER THING I
THINK IS INTERESTING MOST OF
THESE APPS OR SEEN IN MORE
PREVALENT ON GOOGLE'S APP STORE
OR THE APPLE
APP STORE OR IS THERE A REASON
FOR THIS AM I READING TOO MUCH
INTO THAT.
>> EVERYBODY AGREES THAT THAT'S
THE CASE AND I THINK GOOGLE IT
ACKNOWLEDGED AS THAT'S JUST
PART OF THAT NATURE OF ANDROID
AND RATE IS MORE OLD AND YOU
CAN INSTALL APPS FROM
THIRD-PARTY APP STORES AND
WEBSITES WHEREAS IN CONTRAST,
APPLE CONTROLS THE APP STORE
AND THE APPROVED THE APPS THAT
GO INSIDE IT. SO THAT
FUNDAMENTALLY MAKES GOOGLE MORE
VULNERABLE TO THIS ISSUE
BECAUSE STOCK OR COULD
POTENTIALLY PICK UP YOUR PHONE
SIGN SOME RANDOM WEB SITE THAT
SELLS
OR JUST LETS YOU DOWNLOAD
SPYWARE AND INSTALL ON THAT
PERSON STARTED WITHOUT MUCH
EFFORT.
>> SO BRIAN, I'M SURE A LOT OF
OUR VIEWERS ARE WATCHING THIS
AND ARE WONDERING WHAT CAN I DO
TO PROTECT MYSELF OR EVEN KNOW
IF MY PHONE POTENTIALLY IS IS
UNDER SURVEILLANCE WHAT SHOULD
PEOPLE KNOW HERE.
>> I THINK FOR STARTERS YOU CAN
LOOK FOR SOME TELL TELL SIGNS
OF SOME WHERE RUNNING ON YOUR
CELL PHONE. ONE OF THE BIG
GIVEAWAYS THIS WHEN YOUR
BATTERY SEEMS TO BE RAPIDLY
DRAINING AND YOU KNOW THAT YOUR
BATTERIES NOT THAT OLD. IT
SEEMS WE'RE AT THE TRAINING
THAT THAT'S GIVING AWAY THAT
THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING RUNNING
IN THE BACKGROUND FOR A LONG
TIME THAT'S POTENTIALLY
RECURRING YOUR SONG CALLS OR
YOU'RE JUST USE TRUCKS THINGS
LIKE THAT THAT'S WHEN GIVEAWAY
BUT AS FOR IF YOU THINK YOU ARE
A VICTIM OF STOCK AWARE
I MEAN ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS
YOU SHOULD CONSIDER DOING IS
JUST GOING AROUND AND LOOKING
FOR IT SO YOU COULD USE
ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE TO STAND
FOR IT IF YOU FIND EVIDENCE OF
IT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER
KEEPING IT AROUND SO YOU CAN
SHOW IT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT IF
YOU DO WANT TO
REPORT IT. BUT YOU KNOW AT THE
END OF THE DAY IF YOU
NEED SOME ABREU FORCED SOLUTION
YOU COULD START FRESH BY A
RACING ALL THE DATA ON YOUR
SONG WHICH IS NOT IDEAL BUT
STARTING FRESHMAN STARTING
OPERATIONS, SOME DEBT THAT GETS
RID OF SOCCER WHERE OR YOU
COULD SIMPLY
BY YOURSELF.
>> A LOT OF TIPS THAT ARE YEAH
RIGHT TO GRIEVE ARTICLE FOR THE
REST OF THEM AND YEAH EXACTLY