>> WELCOME
>> BACK EVERYONE TO OUR SPECIAL
EDITION OF CHEDDAR POLITICS
TRUMP ON TRIAL, THE SENATE
IMPEACHMENT TRIAL WILL BE
GUIDED BY 2 LEGAL TEAMS.
THE HOUSE MANAGERS WHO ARE
APPOINTED BY NANCY PELOSI AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
DEFENSE TO.
>> RIGHT IN HERE TO WALK US
THROUGH THE 2 LEGAL TEAMS THAT
WILL FACE OFF IN THIS TRIAL.
WE WELCOME BACK POLITICAL JET
JOURNALIST ERIN DELMORE.
>> AND IN CHICAGO PATRICK D D
THE HEAD OF LITIGATION PRACTICE
THAT.
>> HOGAN MARIN BATTLE AND ROSE
LIMITED AND FORMER FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR PATRICK AIR AND
WELCOME BACK TO THE SOUTH.
>> WELL THANKS FOR HAVING
ME ON.
>> SO PATRICK LET'S START WITH
YOU LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
PLAYERS WILL BE WATCHING ON THE
TRUMP DEFENSE TEAM OR THE REAL
PEOPLE TO WATCH GOING INTO THIS
TRIAL.
>> YEAH I THINK IT'S AN KIND OF
SHOW PEOPLE A LOT OF PEOPLE
I THINK TAKEN BECAUSE OF THEIR
MULTIPLE TALENTS. BOTH ON FOX
NEWS AND THEN ALSO
IT WITHIN THE LEGAL YES,
SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE ARGUED
CASES IN THE SUPREME COURT.
JAY SEKULOW HIS
PERSONAL JOURNEY
IS SOMEONE WILL EXPERIENCE TO
BOOST WITH TRUMP AND WITH THE
FEDERAL COURTS IN THE
FEDERAL PROCESS. KEN STARR
ANOTHER PERSON WHO WAS SO WAS
THE FORMER SOLICITOR GENERAL,
BUT
ALSO THE HEAD OF AN
INVESTIGATION FOR A LONG TIME
AGAIN ANOTHER. A FOX NEWS, A
PERSONALITY ALAN DERSHOWITZ O
WELL FOR EVER.
AND I THINK THE LEADING THE
TEAM IS REALLY AT THE WHITE
HOUSE COUNSEL PAT CIPOLLONE WHO
I THINK HAS BEEN
DRIVING THE WRITTEN DOCUMENTS
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME AT THIS
POINT WAS GOING
TO BE PRIMARILY THE ONE THAT
HANDLING THE ACTUAL
PRESENTATION OF THE ARGUMENTS
ON DURING THE COURSE OF THE
SENATE WROTE SO.
>> AARON WE KNOW A LOT OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DEFENSE TEAM
IF YOU TURN ON FOX NEWS, ROBERT
RAY EVEN GOING SO FAR TO SAY IT
WAS BECAUSE OF HIS
APPARENT SAYS I'M MARIA
BARTIROMO SHOW THAT HE EVEN GOT
THIS JOB SO WHAT CAN WE EXPECT
FROM THIS TEAM ON
THE STAGE.
>> WELL TOGETHER THE PEOPLE
REPRESENTING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN
THIS TRIAL
HAVE MADE MORE THAN 350
APPEARANCES ON FOX NEWS WHILE
IN
THE LAST YEAR AND THIS REALLY
SPEAKS TO HOW THE PRESIDENT
SEES HIS TEAM HOW HE SEES THE
PEOPLE
WHO HEAT BRINGS AROUND HIM.
HE TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE
CAMERA READY PEOPLE WHO LOOK
THE PART YOU KNOW THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT MATTERS TO HIM
HOW HE
IS PORTRAYED AND I'LL POINT OUT
THAT BY HAVING KENNETH STARR IN
HIS LEAGUE, THE TEAM HE IS ABLE
TO REIGNITE THOSE PARTISAN
BATTLES OF THE 19 90'S IN A WAY
THAT I DON'T KNOW HE WOULD HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO NECESSARILY
OTHERWISE SUCH A POLL,
THE RISE IN TIME SO MANY
ENTRENCHED OF COURSE TO SOME
KEN IS A STAR A HERO, YOU KNOW
THE OTHERS AN THE OPPOSITE AND
SO I THINK THAT HE'S REALLY
LOOKING TO TAP INTO THESE
FEELINGS AND WITH THE ELECTION
JUST AROUND THE CORNER IT'S AN
INTERESTING PLAY AND PATRICK,
WE KNOW PELOSI PICK THE
MANAGERS BASED OFF LITIGATION
EXPERIENCE. THE MANAGER CERTAIN
A LOT MORE DIVERSE AND THE
CLINTON IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.
HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WILL
IMPACT THE DIFFERENT STYLES
WE'RE GOING TO SEE.
>> WELL I THINK THAT TO THE
HOUSE MANAGERS HAVE THE
ADVANTAGE IN A LOT OF WAYS
BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING
TO PRESENT THE FACTS IN A IN A
WORD IN A IN FOR 2 REASONS ONE
TO PROVE WHAT THE ARTICLES WERE
BASED ON, BUT ALSO
TO SHOW THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL
EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES AND SO
YOU. AMONG THE STAFF, YEAH
THAT ARE SET UP TO REPRESENT
THE HOUSE HERE THE HOUSE
MANAGERS. BOTH ADAM SHIP WAS
REALLY A STELLAR PERFORMER
DURING A HOUSE, SHE DIDN'T CARE
KAREN ADLER
HAS THAT AND THE REST OF THE
EXPERIENCE ON JUST YOUR
COMMITTEE AND THEN THE OTHER
PEOPLE REALLY DEMONSTRATED AT
VARIOUS TIMES THAT THEY ARE
PREPARED TO GO FOR IT WILL BE
YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK THEY ARE
AT ALL ODD KIND OF GET HER DOOR
DISTRACTED BY THE FACT THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT UP
12 HOURS OF PRESENTATION ON AND
ENSURE KOREA TIME IN
2 DAYS. BECAUSE I THINK THEY
CAN EASILY HANDLE APART.
SOME OF PROCEEDING TO
DIFFERENT.
MEMBERS OF THE TEAM AND YOU
KNOW, I'M NOT LOSE THAT
MOMENTUM. IT'S GOING TO BE
INTERESTING TO SEE
HOW THEY CHOOSE TO TO PUT
ON CERTAIN EVIDENCE AND WHAT
ARE THEY GOING TO SAY FOR PRIME
TIME ARE SORT OF THE CAN DO IN
THE AFTERNOON. A LOT OF THAT I
THINK IS IS REALLY GOING TO BE
INTERESTING AND ACTUALLY I
THINK IN SOME WAYS THE
MCCONNELL RULE TO KNOW PROBABLY
TO TALK ABOUT
ADVANTAGE THE DEMOCRATS SAY
THEY'RE GOING TO BE FORCED NOW
TO KIND OF LOOK AT THEIR CASE
AND A FOCUS ON AND HOW WAS THE
MOST EFFECTIVE THE MOST
PERSUASIVE AND THERE ARE
EVIDENCE AND REALLY FOCUS ON
PUTTING THAT BEFORE THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S
THE REALLY ARE REAL AUDIENCE
SHARE I
THINK THAT THAT FOR FOR THE
MOST PART MOST OF THE SENATORS
MINDS ARE MADE UP AND THAT THIS
IS REALLY A
PLAY TO TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
WHO HAVE BEEN KIND OF WAITING
FOR THE OTHER SHOE TO DROP THE
BETTER PART OF A
YEAR NOW.
>> AND WHAT DO YOU ABOUT RIGHT
THERE ARE 2 AUDIENCES RIGHT NOW
THERE ARE THE SENATORS AND THEN
THERE'S THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
HAS MENTIONED AND A REALLY
IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS THAT
BEING A HOUSE IMPEACHMENT
MANAGER CAN BE A STAR-MAKING
TURN LOOK AT LINDSAY GRAHAM HE
WAS AN IMPEACHMENT MANAGER
DURING THE CLINTON
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS.
>> AND SKYROCKETED HE IS NOW
GOING TO BE SITTING IN THE
SENATE FOR THIS PROCEEDING AND
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT
TO NOTE, BUT A LOT OF THESE
PEOPLE HAVE A LOT TO GAIN AND
LOSE WHEN WE TALK
BUT THE SENATORS WHO WILL BE
ABLE TO SPEAK WILL BE ABLE TO
MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD WILL
KEEP YOUR EYE ON THESE HOUSE
IMPEACHMENT MANAGERS, THIS IS
THEIR MOMENT.
>> THAT INDEED PATRICK BOTH
TEAMS HAVE ALSO RELEASED THESE
MASSIVE LEGAL BRIEFS
ESSENTIALLY OUTLINING THEIR
RESPECTIVE CASES WHAT KIND OF
STRATEGY DO THOSE DOCUMENTS
SHOW US.
>> WELL I THINK AS I SAID
BEFORE I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THE THE HOUSE MANAGERS DOCUMENT
VERY HEAVY ON THE FACTS
OUTLINING ALL OF
THAT DETAILED CORROBORATIVE
EVIDENCE THAT SHOW WHAT THEY
BELIEVE IS THE CLEAR CASE
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT IN TERMS
OF THE FACTS WHICH ARE REALLY
NOT IN DISPUTE, I MEAN I
THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE
HARD FOR THE REPUBLICANS IN THE
SENATE AND ALSO THE
PRESIDENT'S. COUNCIL TO REALLY
DISPUTE MUCH ABOUT WHAT HAS
BEEN PROVEN IN THE COURSE OF
THE
HOUSE PROCEEDINGS AND SO IN
THAT SENSE IT REALLY LAYS OUT
WHAT THEY THINK THE EVIDENCE IS
ALREADY SHOWED AND KIND OF IT'S
REALLY AN ARGUMENT
OR WHY THE SENATE REALLY WANT
TO DO ITS JOB IT NEEDS TO 2
ENTERTAIN THESE IDEAS ABOUT
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
EVIDENCE ON THE OTHER HAND I
THINK
THAT THE. THE PRESIDENT'S
COUNCILS, BRIEF IF YOU WANT TO
CALL THAT A 115 PAGES WHATEVER
IT IS. IT WAS REALLY A AN
EFFORT TO KIND OF BE GIVE
A MENU FOR THE REPUBLICANS TO
HAVE
DIFFERENT REASONS TO WORK WITH
THE PRESIDENT I THINK PEOPLE
HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU
KNOW THERE ARE THE SENATORS
DON'T HAVE TO BE UNITED ON WHY
THEY VOTE TO ACQUIT THE
PRESIDENT. THEY CAN EACH CHOOSE
DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE DEFENSE
CASE AS WHAT THEY'RE RELYING
UPON THE INTERESTING THING IS
THEY'VE REALLY STAYED AWAY FROM
WHAT WAS REALLY THE BEST
DEFENSE ARE THE REASON THAT IN
THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION
COULDN'T PEACHMAN PROCEEDINGS
THAT THE SENATORS THE
DEMOCRATIC SENATORS HAVE NOT
PROBLEM TO THE SENATE THEY
NEEDED TO VOTE TO ACQUIT.
CLINTON BECAUSE FOR HIM HE WAS
OKAY WITH THE FACT THAT HE
ACCEPTED THE FACT THEY WERE
GOING TO CRITICIZE ITS KIND BUT
BUT BASICALLY SAY THAT IT
DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF AN
IMPEACHABLE
OFFENSE HERE. YOU'VE GOT THE
PRESIDENT WAS BASICALLY SAID
TAKE THROUGH ON THE GAUNTLET
DOWN AND SAID
AND THIS WAS A PERFECT CALLED
THE PROBLEM WITH WITH MY
CONDUCT HERE IT WAS PERFECTLY
ACCEPTABLE UNREASONABLE IN
THEIRS. THERE'S ACTUALLY
NOTHING TO SEE HERE AND I THINK
THAT YOU KNOW I THINK A LOT OF
OTHER REPUBLICANS. OUR ON
COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE I
THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR
THAT THE CONDUCT IS A EXTREME
IN THE END THE BULLYING AND THE
ACTIVITIES THAT WENT ON A
PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AND SO THAT
THE DEFENSE HAS REALLY GIVEN
THEM A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THEY CAN
KIND OF CLICK 2 IF THEY WANT TO
GET OUT OF THIS AND GIVE HER
WHAT WOULD BE A MEETING AT A
LEGAL REASON BUT A RATIONAL
REASON TO QUIT.
>> QUICKLY TALK ABOUT ALAN
DERSHOWITZ HE SAYS ARE CAMPY
IMPEACHMENT WITHOUT A TRUE
CRIME BEING COMMITTED A LOT
DIFFERENT TO WHAT HE SAID IN
1998 TAKE A LISTEN.
>> CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
A CRIME IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY
WHO COMPLETELY CORRUPTS THE
OFFICE
OF PRESIDENT AND
WHO ABUSES TRUST AND WHO POSES
GREAT DANGER TO OUR LIBERTY YOU
DON'T NEED A TECHNICAL CRIME.
>> PATRICK WHAT DOES THIS
CHANGE INDICATE TO YOU.
>> WELL I THINK IT DOES
INDICATE THAT HE IS PREPARED TO
SAY WHATEVER YOU SAY FIRST
CLIENT WHICH
IS NOT ON AN ATTRACTIVE IN A
KIND OF TRADE FOR A LAWYER BUT
I THINK HE REALLY A SWIMMING
UPSTREAM AGAINST
THE OVERWHELMING. BOTH LEGAL
AND HISTORICAL SCHOLARS WHO
HAVE KIND OF WEIGHED IN ON THIS
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO
WILL BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU
IN GREAT DETAIL, WHY A CRIME IS
NOT NEEDED IN
ORDER FOR. CONGRESS TO APPROVE
A HIGH CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR
FIRST OF ALL THERE WERE ANY
FEDERAL CRIMES AT THE TIME THE
CONSTITUTION
WAS ABOUT THE BACK IN 17 87 IN
THE END SO THAT THERE COULD
HAVE BEEN ANY SPECIFIC CRIME
THAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT
IT OTHER THAN BRIBERY TREASON
WHICH KIND OF
BEEN CRIMES AGAINST THE STATE
FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK
THAT THE THE BETTER REASON IF
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE
COMMENTARY BOTH
DURING THE DEBATES IN THE
CONTINENTAL CONGRESS AND ALSO
THE FEDERALIST PAPERS YOU KNOW
THERE'S A GREAT DISCOURSE
BETWEEN HAMILTON AND MADISON
ABOUT WHAT IS IMPEACHMENT MEAN,
AND THEY BOTH KIND OF SAY WHAT
MISTER DERSHOWITZ JUST SAID
WHICH IS THAT REALLY TALKS
ABOUT ABUSE
OF POWER AND MISUSE AND OF
PUBLIC TRUST ALL THESE THINGS
BUT THAT MAY NOT BE A TECHNICAL
CRIME AND I THINK
THAT THE THE ACCEPTED OPINION
OF MOST PEOPLE IS IT DOESN'T
HAVE TO BE A CRIME TO BE AN
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE AND NOT
EVERY CRIME IS AN IMPEACHABLE
IT REALLY GOES TO THE NATURE
OF THE CRIME WHICH IS I THINK
WHY CAN'T STARS GOING HAVE THE
SAME PROBLEM OR. HE
BASICALLY SAID YOU KNOW IN THE
CLINTON SITUATION THAT THIS YOU
KNOW KIND OF PERSONAL.
PREDILECTION OR WHATEVER YOU
WANT TO CALL THE PRESIDENT'S
PROBLEMS WITH MONICA LEWINSKY.
THEY WERE PERSONAL. THEY
WEREN'T NECESSARILY THINGS THAT
AFFECTED COUNTRY AS A WHOLE AND
THE FACT
THAT HE HIMSELF AND ENCOURAGE
OTHER PEOPLE TO MISREPRESENT
THE TRUTH IN THE COURSE OF THE
GRAND JURY. MAYBE IS ON
PERSONAL FAILURE, BUT IT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY IMPACT THE
COUNTRY SO I
THINK BOTH KEN STARR AND AND
DERSHOWITZ ARE GOING TO BE MORE
TV PERSONALITY BECAUSE
EVERYBODY ON FOX KNOWS THEM AND
THAT'S GOING TO BE
THEIR MAIN. AUDIENCE NOT
NECESSARILY THE SENATORS WERE