>> WELCOME
BACK TO CHEDDAR NEWS TO POLICE
SHOOTINGS THAT GARNERED A HUGE
AMOUNT OF ATTENTION
RECENTLY BOTH HAPPENED IN THE
DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA FIRST
AMBER GUYGER WHO WAS CONVICTED
OF MURDERING BOTHAM JOHN IN HIS
OWN APARTMENT AFTER ALLEGEDLY
MISTAKING HER
APARTMENT FOR IT IS AND THEN
THERE WAS ON TALKING ON A
JEFFERSON ALLEGEDLY SHOT
THROUGH A WINDOW IN HER HOME BY
AN ON-DUTY
POLICE OFFICER JOHNNY NON AS A
CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROFESSOR AT
TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY.
HE RELEASED A BOOK EARLIER THIS
YEAR CALLING ISSUES AND
CONTROVERSIES AND
POLICING TODAY. HE JOINS US NOW
VIA SKYPE FROM FORT WORTH
PROFESSOR WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
THANKS NICE TO BE HERE NICE TO
HAVE YOU SO YOU WERE QUOTED
SAYING THAT OFFICERS GOING TO
SITUATIONS FEELING LIKE THEIR
LIVES ARE CONSTANTLY
IN DANGER THAT MAKES SENSE THEN
YOU ALSO ADDED THAT NEWLY
TRAINED POLICE HAVE A
HEIGHTENED SENSE OF DANGER AND
RISK CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT
IS.
>> RIGHT IT'S JUST THAT IT'S A
COMBINATION OF FACTORS, THE
FIRST ONE
IS THAT THEIR EXPERIENCE SO
WHEN THEY'RE OUT OF THE WHICH
THE ACADEMY FOCUSES PRIMARILY
AND JUSTIFIABLY SO ON WAYS IN
WHICH OFFICERS TO GET KILLED
HER HEARD AND IT IS A
DANGEROUS JOB, INHERENTLY SO
WHEN YET WHENEVER YOU HAVE
THAT TYPE OF OF HEIGHTENED
AWARENESS COUPLED WITH AND NOT
HAVING THE EX
SYRIANS AND KNOWLEDGE OF
PREVIOUS SITUATIONS WHEN
YOU APPROACH A CRITICAL A
POTENTIALLY CRITICAL INCIDENT
SUCH AS A IN THE JEFFERSON CASE
YOU'RE GOING TO APPROACH IT
WITH A LOT
A LOT OF NERVOUSNESS MAYBE SOME
PANIC AND A MORE VETERAN
OFFICER MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASSESS
THE SITUATION A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENTLY AND APPROACH IT IN
A DIFFERENT MANNER IN
ACCIDENTS LIKE THIS OR
UNFORTUNATE INCIDENTS LIKE THIS
DON'T HAPPEN.
>> YOU KNOW THAT IS SO
DISTURBING BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW
WE HAVE ROOKIE COPS ON THE
STREET EVERY SINGLE YEAR SO DO
YOU THINK THIS IS A SYMPTOMATIC
ISSUE.
>> RIGHT I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS
A SYMPTOMATIC ISSUE I JUST
KNOW THAT.
>> THE THE THE NATURE OF
POLICING IS CHANGING.
>> IN
IT IS.
>> IT IT IS DIFFICULT FOR
OFFICERS TO TO TO OF
IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT WHERE
THERE'S A LOT OF CAMERAS AND
AND THERE'S A AND WHAT
WHERE THERE. ANY POTENTIAL
PERSON COULD HAVE COULD HAVE
A FIREARM SO IT'S JUST THE
NATURE OF THE BUSINESS AND
FROM WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT
BEFORE IN TERMS OF WEIGHT
TRAINING AND STUFF. LET ME MAKE
CLEAR THAT PUT A
FORT WORTH IN PARTICULAR HAS
TAKEN A LOT OF EFFORT IN
INTEGRATING A LOT OF COMMUNITY
BUILDING A LOT OF COMMUNITY
POLICING.
INITIATIVES BUT AT THE END OF
THE DAY POLICING AND STILL LAW
ENFORCEMENT TYPE OF OCCUPATION
AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE
TYPES OF A SITUATION OR
SITUATIONS ARISE.
>> PROFESSOR HOW COULD POLICE
FORCES WORK TO UNDO THIS
HEIGHTENED FEAR THAT OFFICERS
LEARN IN TRADING HOW DO YOU
CONTROL EMOTION AND FEAR.
>> A LOT OF THAT
IS THROUGH
MAYBE REFORMING A LITTLE BIT OF
THE TRAINING AND INTEGRATING A
LOT MORE OF THE RELATIONS
ASPECTS OF
IT SO. AN OFFICER MIGHT NOT
ENTER A SITUATION AS
NERVOUS OR FEARFUL IF THEY HAVE
A REALLY REALLY GOOD SENSE OF
THE COMMUNITY SO A LOT OF THAT
IS JUST COMMUNITY A
COMMUNITY POLICING AND
COMMUNITY BUILDING WHERE THE
OFFICER SPENDS A LOT OF TIME IN
THE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST
RESPONDING TO CALLS BUT JUST
GETTING TO KNOW THE
NEIGHBORHOODS GETTING TO KNOW.
THE RESIDENTS
IN THERE AND JUST SAYING HEY
YOU KNOW, I KNOW
THIS PERSON. THIS PERSON IS IS
NOT DANGEROUS AND
REALLY TREATED. SOMETHING LIKE
THAT AS CUOCO
WELLNESS CHECK. I'M GOING BACK
TO THAT WELLNESS CHECK AS WELL
I JUST KIND OF THOUGHT OF A THE
SITUATION AND IS NOT TO
REALLY EXPLAIN. THE OR JUSTIFY
HOW THE OFFICER RESPONDED, BUT
I COULD SEE SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENS AT 2 30 AT NIGHT
AND AN OFFICER GOING IN THERE
SEE YOU SEEING A DOOR OPEN.
AGAIN IT'S JUST THAT NOT
KNOWING WHO WAS INSIDE. I COULD
SEE THEM APPROACHING THIS AS A.
>> MAYBE A BURGLAR CALL OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT VERY
QUICKLY. PROFESSOR PEOPLE OF
COLOR DISPROPORTIONATELY
VICTIMS OF POLICE BRUTALITY.
>> THE DATA SHOWS THAT UH YOU
KNOW THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE
MORE LIKELY TO GET ARRESTED
THEY THEY SPEND MORE TIME IN
PRISON. SO THERE IS SOME STAIRS
DISPARITY THERE.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR
INCIDENT. I DON'T SEE BREEZE
BEING THAT BIG OF A FACTOR IN
FACT
ARE ALL.
>> ALL RIGHT JOHNNY NON
PROFESSOR THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US TODAY. THANK YOU.