MY TAKING ABILITY.
>> THEY DON'T WAS COUNTRIES
LIKE CHINA AND SOUTH KOREA WRAP
UP 5 G COVERAGE, THE US
IS HER ING TO LAY THE
GROUNDWORK FOR THIS WIRELESS
REVOLUTION AS WELL.
>> OK SO THAT IS THE GROUNDWORK
THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH HERE
WHAT 5 G IS AND ALSO SOME OF
THE CONCERNS OF WITH US TO
BREAK DOWN THE OTHER WHO WHAT
WHERE WHY OF HOW 5 G TECHNOLOGY
COULD IMPACT WILL COME OUT FOR
CONSUMERS AND
BUSINESSES IS RUSSELL HOLLY
MANAGING EDITOR OF MOBILE
NATIONS AND ALSO GOT HERE ON
SAID BEN FOX RUBIN SENIOR
REPORTER AT
SEA NET GREAT TO HAVE YOU BOTH
WITH US AND I THINK THE BIG
QUESTION YOU WANT TO START OFF
WITH IS THIS 5 G KIND OF A
MYTHICAL UNICORN OR
IS IT OVER-HYPED TECHNOLOGY
RUSSELL YOU'RE ALREADY LAUGHING
HERE SO I GO TO YOU FIRST.
>> YES, THERE IS DEFINITELY NOT
A UNICORN BUT OVERHYPED IS IS
YOU KNOW A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT A
LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT AGO
RIGHT NOW
IT'S A THE DEATH IS BEING
DEPLOYED IS MOST USEFUL IN
DENSELY POPULATED URBAN AREAS
AND THEN AFTER THE THE YOU KNOW
COMMENTS MADE BY CHAIR UMPIRE
YOU KNOW EARLIER AREAS ARE
REALLY GOING TO TAKE A VERY
LONG TIME TO TO SEE ANYTHING
RESEMBLING THE KIND OF THING
THAT WE'RE SEEING IN NEW YORK
AND CHICAGO IN DC RIGHT NOW
IT'S ALSO WORTH POINTING OUT
THAT A LOT OF THE SAME RURAL
AREAS DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE
RELIABLE 4 G RIGHT NOW SO IT'S
IT'S KIND OF A
TOUGH SELL.
>> ALL RIGHT THEN IS IT A
MYTHICAL UNICORN OR IS IT KIND
OF OVER HYPED THIS POINT YES,
BOTH OH YEAH, I MEAN
LOOK BY.
>> AT THE SAME TIME WE REALLY
ARE EXPECTING THIS TO BE PRETTY
REVOLUTIONARY IN THE COMING
YEARS THAT MIGHT TAKE MAYBE 5
YEARS SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT
AT THE SAME TIME.
SOME OF THE BIG PROMISES A 5 G.
WE'RE EXPECTING WILL COME
EVENTUALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
DRONES SELF-DRIVING CARS TELE
MEDICINE, THOSE A REALLY BIG
IDEAS AND IT'S NOT JUST FASTER
SPEEDS, IT'S REALLY ENABLING
NEW TECHNOLOGY.
>> IT WILL TAKE US THROUGH SOME
OF THOSE NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND
HOW 5 G WILL ENABLE THOSE
BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE
HERE AT LEAST FROM THAT THE
ADVOCATES IN THE TELECOM
PROVIDERS RIGHT NOW AND THERE
ARE PLENTY OF SKEPTICS OUT
THERE WHO SAY HEY THIS IS A
FUTURE BEING
PAINTED BY. PEOPLE YOU DON'T
ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING
TO BE SEEING IN THE NEXT
2 YEARS RIGHT SO PROBABLY THE
MOST SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL I
WOULD SAY WOULD BE IN TELLING
MADISON THE BIG PROMISE OR THE
POTENTIAL HERE IS THAT.
>> YOU HAVE SOME OF THE
GREATEST DOCK THERE'S IN THE
WORLD THAT MIGHT BE
ABLE TO SURGERY OR LAG LE
SURGERY SOMEWHERE IN JUST BERLE
AREAS IN AFRICA,
SOUTH AMERICA, A RURAL CHINA
DIFFERENT AREAS LIKE THAT AND
THAT'S BECAUSE OF A 5 G
CONNECTION THAT HAS
NO LAG SO THEY'RE BEING SO
ESSENTIALLY THEY'LL
USE INSTRUMENTS REMOTELY OR
THEY WILL PROVIDE INSTRUCTION
IN DON'T YOU WOULD. IN THEORY
IT WOULD BE REMOTE
IN STERN THAT'S BECAUSE 5 G IS
THAT FAST IT'S THE LAG IS ABOUT
ONE MILLISECOND SOMETHING LIKE
THAT WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY
LOWER IT'S
ABOUT 20 MILLISECONDS FOR 4 G
NOW YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT'S
REALLY ALL THAT SIGNIFICANT
EXCEPT WHEN TALKING ABOUT A
LIFE SAVING
SURGERY NOW AGAIN THIS IS A BIG
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
REALLY AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW, AND
IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE
FOR QUITE A WHILE.
>> RIGHT SO WE HAVE SOME TIME
IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW WE
CAN ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND GET
OURSELVES READY SO I GUESS THE
NEXT REALLY BIG QUESTION HAS
BEEN HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO PAY FOR A 5 G PREMIUM.
RUSSELL AND BEN RUSSELL ALL
ALSO BACK TO YOU FIRST AGAIN ON
THIS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO
PAY A LOT MORE AND FOR HOW LONG
DO YOU THINK.
>> WELL SO IF YOU LOOK AT BY
THE DEVICES RIGHT NOW THERE'S
OBVIOUSLY A PREMIUM ASSOCIATED
WITH IT BY A 5 G VERSION OF A
PHONE THAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY
ARE GOING TO PAY A LITTLE MORE
FOR IT I COMES A LITTLE BIGGER
BATTERY IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK
QUITE AS WELL AND THAT'S
PROBABLY GOING TO CONTINUE FOR
AT LEAST THE NEXT YEAR TO WHAT
WE KIND OF
SORT OUT YOU KNOW BATTERY DRAIN
IN CERTAIN AREAS AND IN SOME
CASES
HEAT. DISTRIBUTION TO THEIR
SOME ADDITIONAL HEAT INVOLVED
IN A LOT OF ID EXPERIENCES
RIGHT NOW SO YOU KNOW FROM FROM
JUST A GENERAL CONSUMER
PERSPECTIVE, BUYING THAT PHONE
IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT
MORE EXPENSIVE FOR FOR THE
IMMEDIATE FUTURE AS FAR AS
LONG TERM. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF
INDICATION THAT THERE'S GOING
TO BE A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN
SAY YOUR MONTHLY BILL AH BUT
THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
ROLLOUT SO IT IT WOULD BE
NATURAL FOR THERE TO BE SOME
INCREASE. THERE IN THAT KIND OF
A YOU KNOW 5 G EXCITEMENT
BUT I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW THE
CARRIERS ARE TRYING REALLY HARD
TO MAKE THAT YOU'RE PART OF THE
EXISTING SET UP AND NOT
YOU KNOW KIND OF THE SEPARATE
HERE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO
REACH FOR.
>> RIGHT THEN I MEAN FOR EYES
AND SAYING IT WOULD INTRODUCE 5
G IN THESE AREAS LIKE CA GO IN
MINNEAPOLIS THAT HAPPENED OF
COURSE BACK IN THIS RIGHT BUT
FOR AN ADDITIONAL $10 A MONTH
THAT SOME ARE LOOKING AT THIS
AS A WAY FOR HER EYES, ANOTHER
KEY AREAS
TO TEST OUR APPETITE FOR PACE
FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DO YOU
THINK THAT APPETITE IS THERE.
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY AS RUSSELL
WAS SAYING
THIS IS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT A
PREMIUM TIER SERVICE SO THEY
ARE TRYING A LOT OF THE
CARRIERS IN THE UNITED STATES
ARE REALLY TRYING TO
PUSH THIS IN THE PREMIUM AND
THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE
BACK A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT
THEY MADE ON INFRASTRUCTURE
OVER THE PAST COUPLE
YEARS SO RISE AND SO FAR HAS
WAIVED THAT $10 FEE BECAUSE
IT'S SO SPOTTY RIGHT NOW, BUT
AT THE SAME TIME,
MULTIPLE CARRIERS ARE REALLY
SAID THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO
COST A LITTLE BIT MORE WHICH BY
THE WAY IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED
WITH 4 G BUT IT MIGHT HAPPEN A
LITTLE BIT MORE NOW YOU KNOW
WHAT'S SO INTERESTING ABOUT
THIS GUYS
IS THAT I THINK WE'RE G IF IT
WORKS
REALLY WELL WELL I I DON'T
DESIRE FASTER SPEEDS AS A
CONSUMER I MEAN I IF I'M
WATCHING VIDEOS. IT'S THE WHAT
YOU SAY NOW IT'S
IT WORK SO WELL SO WHAT I'M
HEARING YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THE
5 G FUTURE AND RUSSELL GO TO
>> THE APPLICATIONS FOR SOUTH
SO MUCH MORE PROMISING ON
A COMMERCIAL BASIS LIKE WHAT
BEN WAS SPEAKING TO THEM REALLY
ON A CONSUMER BASE, I MEAN
MAYBE MAKING CASE FOR
THE CONSUMER WE'RE HERE I MEAN
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WALKING
AROUND WITH THE PHONE IN OUR
POCKETS THAT ARE 100 TIMES
FASTER THAN THE 4 G LTE
NETWORKS, I'M USED
TO IT.
>> YES THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING
RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE
COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE BENEFITS
ARE CLEARLY THERE, ESPECIALLY
WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING
CALLED 5 G
MESH NETWORKING WHICH IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT GETS TALKED
ABOUT A TIME WHEN IT COMES TO
THIS PARTICULAR FEATURE IS THAT
YOU KNOW INSTEAD OF HAVING A
100 INDIVIDUAL DEVICES THAT
CONNECT TO THE NETWORK
ON THEIR OWN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE
A SINGLE HOST OF ICE IN A WHOLE
BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS CONNECT
TO A KIND LIKE A WHITE FIRE
OUT. BUT ALL OF THEM ARE
CONNECTED TO 5 G THAT WAY AND
THAT HAS A LOT OF ENTERPRISE
BENEFITS BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT A
TON OF A INDIVIDUAL
BENEFITS UNLESS.
>> YOU START TALKING ABOUT
RURAL ROAD MORE ROLL ROLL OUT
SORRY WHERE YOU CAN START
PUTTING THE USE A MESS NOW
WORKS AT HOME AND HAVE THAT BE
THE HOME INTERNET CONNECTION
AND THAT OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE
THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW WHEN
IT COMES TO JUST HAVING YOUR
PHONE BE A
5 G PHONE RATHER HAVING YOUR
ENTIRE HOUSE BE A 5 G NETWORK
DOESN'T THE STILL REQUIRE
THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> OF LAYING FIBER OPTIC CABLE
TO RURAL AREAS.
>> ABSOLUTELY YES, SO SO HOW IS
HOW IS THIS GOING TO HELP RURAL
AMERICA, GIVEN THAT WE
STILL SEEN A GROWING DIGITAL
DIVIDE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE
INTEREST INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED
TO
LAY CABLE FOR FOR HIGH SPEED
BROADBAND INTERNET
AND THE.
>> WELL THAT IS ONE OF THE
SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOVE
FOR THE COULD ANSWERS TO BUT
UNFORTUNATELY THE CLOSEST THING
WE HAVE TO REALLY ANSWER IS
CHAIRMAN PIE SAYING WE'RE
TOTALLY GOING TO DO IT. SO YOU
KNOW IT'S IT'S IT'S A DIFFICULT
THING.
>> WE HAVE SET THE STAGE FOR
LIKE WE ARE ALL JOURNALISTS
HERE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SAY
IN HOW THIS IS GOING TO GET HOW
ABOUT IF WE REALLY WANTED TO
MAKE THIS DYNAMIC IN HAVE THAT
CAN THE COMPANY'S COME
ON IN ANSWER KIND OF FOR
THEMSELVES I THINK THIS WOULD
YOU KNOW KIND OF BE A DIFFERENT
ROUTE TO BECAUSE WE'RE ALL
SPECULATING HERE AND JUST TRY
TO READ THE TEA LEAVES. BUT FOR
THAT RACE AND WE SAW A MAP OF
JUST HOW QUICKLY THESE
COMPANIES ARE TRYING TO GET 5 G
UP YOU KNOW IF YOUR SPRING TO
YOUR OF ARISING
HOW MUCH OF THIS IS A RACE TO
BE FIRST
VERSUS MAY THE WAITING AROUND
AND MAYBE THEN PIGGYBACK OFF OF
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAY BE
A COMPETITOR HAS BUILT THEN.
>> THE OTHER RACE TO BE FIRST
IS OBVIOUSLY REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR A LOT OF THESE CARRIERS
MORE SO THAN FOR CONSUMERS
THEMSELVES. I WOULD PROBABLY
SAY CONSUMERS AREN'T REALLY
PAYING ATTENTION MUCH TO ALL
THESE LITTLE INCREMENTAL
CHANGES THAT ARE GOING ON, BUT
AT THE SAME TIME FOR EYES AND
REALLY TRIED
TO PUSH THEIR HOME 5 G CONCEPT
REALLY QUICKLY TO SAY HEY WE
WERE FIRST IN THE UNITED STATES
BECAUSE THEY REALLY SEE THIS AS
AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY LOOK
LOOK WHAT AN AMAZING NETWORK.
WE HAVE LOOK HOW FORWARD WE ARE
WITH OUR EFFORT, IT'S AN 18 TO
WASN'T TOO FAR BEHIND WITH.
>> WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE
FIRST IF WE DON'T HAVE THESE
PHONES YET.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION
AT THIS POINT A GUN IT DOESN'T
SEEM LIKE CONSUMERS REALLY CARE
ABOUT THE
FIRST BITE.
FOR EYES AND AN ATNT ESPECIALLY
REALLY DO SEE THAT AS BRAGGING
RIGHTS AND THEY PROBABLY LOOK
AT IT AS A MARKETING
OPPORTUNITY, THE IN
FUTURE YEARS THE SAY HEY WE
WERE FIRST IN 5 G WERE FIRST IN
THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S HOW
GOOD WE ARE WITH THAT OTHER
BEYOND THAT I DON'T REALLY
KNOW.
I WAS GOING SAY JUST ANOTHER
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION
BEFORE WE GO TO BREAK HERE
HAS BEEN ABOUT HEALTH AND THERE
HAVE GROUPS RUNNING UP AROUND
THE COUNTRY THAT OUR CONSUMER
ADVOCACY GROUPS THAT SAY HEY WE
DON'T WANT THIS 5 G TECHNOLOGY
IN
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DO THINK
IT'S HARMFUL TO HEALTH DESPITE
THE FACT THAT THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION HAS NOT FOUND ANY
HARMFUL
LINKS BETWEEN.
>> ELECTRO MAGNETIC FIELDS AND
HEALTH HEALTH
REST SO, 4 G AND
5 G TECHNOLOGY. I'M RUSSELL
WANT TO START WITH WHAT DO YOU
MAKE OF THE CONVERSATION AROUND
HEALTH AND 5 G.
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW AT THE RISK
OF BEING YOU KNOW KIND OF
CYNICAL AND MOCKING I'VE UH YOU
KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR
A LITTLE OVER 10 YEARS NOW AND
EVERY YEAR THAT I TRAVELED THE
CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW IN
VEGAS. THERE'S ALWAYS A CROWD
OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE HOLDING SIGNS
PROTESTING THE CONSUMER
ELECTRONICS SHOW SPECIFICALLY
BECAUSE
A WIRELESS. YOU KNOW TO TO YOU
KNOW KIND OF THE HUMAN BEING
AND THERE'S JUST NEVER BEEN A
LOT OF RESEARCH TO BACK THIS UP
AND AND THERE'S BEEN CERTAINLY
YOU KNOW QUITE A BIT IN THE WAY
OF TESTING AND YOU KNOW
MEDICAL JOURNALING TO TRY AND
DOCUMENT THESE EXPERIENCES TO
FIND VERY
LITTLE RESULTS. 5 G IS STILL
VERY SO YOU KNOW KIND OF LONGER
FORM STUDIES ARE NOT A THING
THAT ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE
YET. BUT THERE'S JUST NO
EVIDENCE TO BACK UP BASED ON
HOW WE UNDERSTAND THIS
TECHNOLOGY WORKS THAT THERE ARE
ANY LONG-TERM HEALTH ISSUES
HERE.
>> IT JUST MAKES ME SO
UNCOMFORTABLE AND I JUST HAVE
TO BUT IN AN AND PERSONAL
ANECDOTE
YOU KNOW MY FOR LIVES IN
HOBOKEN AND OUTSIDE OF HIS
WINDOW DIRECTLY OUTSIDE IS
A NEW 5 G TOWER LOOKING OUT AT
IT I COVER THIS EVERY DAY I
KNOW THAT THERE IS NO INSTEAD
SHE ADDED CLAIMS OF ANY
TYPE OF HELP OR HARM TO MY
BUT I.
>> I STILL GET NERVOUS. I DON'T
I DON'T LOOK AT IT AND I WILL
OR NOT.
>> IT'S A PART OF THE
CONVERSATION HERE IS NOT JUST
THAT THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE
DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE
HEALTH RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE
UNFOUNDED
THIS POINT IT'S THAT THE
ESTHETIC ELEMENT WHERE THESE
THESE WILL BE SO THERE WILL BE.
BY SOME ESTIMATES 800,000 IS
THE DENSITY THAT'S RIGHT YOU
DON'T SIT THERE AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN.
>> THERE THEY ARE EYESORES I
HAD A GREAT VIEW AND NOW I HAVE
A.
>> THAT BEFORE WE GO TO BREAK
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE WHOLE
>> ASCENSION OF OUR TO AGREE
WITH RUSSELL THAT A LOT OF THE
INFORMATION IS INCONCLUSIVE AT
THIS POINT THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION
THAT SAY CERTAIN TYPES OF CELL
YOUR LITTLE WAVES ARE
POTENTIALLY CARCINOGENIC BUT
THEY ALSO SAID PICKLED
VEGETABLES AND COFFEE OR
POTENTIALLY CARCINOGENIC SO YOU
DO HAVE TO
WAY THOSE CONSIDERATIONS FROM
WHAT HOPE
WAS SAYING 5 G NETWORKS ARE
GOING TO BE MUCH MORE PREVALENT
IN PEOPLE'S LIVES. THAT'S JUST
THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING A
LOT MORE STUFF AND DENSER AREAS
SO I DO
BELIEVE THAT. CARRIERS ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUT IN
FRONT OF THIS THEY'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT AND A 3RD
IF THERE ARE HEALTH CONCERNS
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
DISCUSS THEM AND MAYBE TRY TO.
RAISE THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY
CAN DO ABOUT IT BEFORE REALLY
GOES OUT OF CONTROL.
>> RIGHT BUT JUST BE CLEAR
THERE IS NO SOLID EVIDENCE AT
ALL RIGHT NOW THE FIVE-YEAR ANY
MOBILE TECH. SO